This . . . especially the part about ". . . it's the rule, so why not just flip up your card."

Just turn over both cards.

Learned my lesson the easy way years back. I pulled the show one card trick and the lady (dealer) kindly informed me the house rule was show both or lose the pot. I appreciated the lesson.

A few years later a dealer at the same room awarded a pot to a second best hand (not mine) for the same house rule with NO explanation till after pushing it. There was a bit of an uproar and the best hand (loser) racked up and left. I think that was handled poorly and so did most of the table.

The dealer screwed up imho! A simple "two cards to get the pot" and the whole situation could've been avoided. I have seen it happen countless times in the US and Europe.

However something similar happend to me once:

I shipped pre, it was a multiway flop with two 8s villain pushes everybody out. I spike a pair on the turn, river is whatever. I tell the villain you have the 8 you're good. He shows me (only me) the 8. I nod (as in you're good), he mucks. !!!!

I table my hand. The dealer is about to push the pot towards me. I tell the dealer that villain had the winner (even though I knew the pot will be awarded to me anyway) The villain is obviously not happy and complains, floor rules his cards dead since they were mucked.

I know I could've given him the pot, but **** Karma: money is money and if you don't know the rules well enough of the game you are wagering on, too bad.

Two hands later I doubled up through him...

This is pretty scummy. The old 'You're good' and then wait for them to muck while you hold your cards angle.

Love it. This would merit an additional tip from me.

This might be the only subforum on the site where being proud of this won't be taken well. Kinda scummy, imo.

Guy shows me one card that beats me, I just say "Show both cards ... and take the pot".

Am I violating OPTAH? What is my penalty?

If you know you have a losing hand and take the pot you are a ****ty person.

In most rooms it would be against the rules to give someone else the pot after it has been awarded to you.

Did the hand take place in Harrahs Chester or SugarHouse?

I think the main issue with this is how proud the poster is about taking the pot. It sounds like he conned him a bit.

I agree his post hand gloating here seems inappropriate, but it doesn't sound like he actually did anything wrong to me. I would have also nodded when someone showed the 8 and then waited for him to fully table his hand, but not expected it to result in him mucking.

Believe it or not, I actually didn't try to angle shoot. It was the old "19 year old kid is heartbroken because he lost his one buy in for the night, saying you are good in defeat" situation I honestly wasn't waiting for him to muck, but when he did and the situation presented itself I shamelessly took advantage of it...


It might be. I am not proud or ashamed of it, it's just a cautionary tale from my younger years. But even today I am not sure I wouldn't take the pot. Maybe I am a horrible person, or maybe it's not my place to teach grown ups how to handle their money.
Have you ever given back a pot to someone who called because he misread his cards or a drunk party guy!?

It's just not cool.

It would be pretty outrageous to enforce that rule in a circumstance like this where it's clear the purpose of it was resolve a dispute in a fair manner.

Really? Because in similar circumstances I have read about on here, the person awarded the pot was never allowed to push it. The best he could do would be to reimburse out of his pocket and leave his winnings on the table.

Where I come from, we call that being, a reverse angle-shooter.

That's what any decent dealer or floor would do.

Pretty questionable to make a statement conceding the hand while not mucking yours. Yes, the other player had a breach in procedure that killed his hand, but your comment predicated it.

It was scummy to keep the pot, and shows pretty questionable character that you seem to be defending your action.

Well, if I knew the dealer(or any of the other players) were actually going to give me a hard time about it, I would simply take that money out of my pocket and say: "Here's that money I owed you from last week."

And, because it was the dealer who was being such a rules prick in this hand, I would also anticipate him/her to tell me that I can't push chips to another player either. Fine, I'll just do it my way.

Where I come from, it is called being a mensch.

I have, on multiple occasions, corrected the dealer when given too much money or awarded a pot incorrectly. I have given back a player money when a joke I made (I joked about seeing a card I didn't see) caused him to display his hand. I have not been in a sitiuation where a player clearly misread his cards, but there is a chance that if I trusted it was an honest mistake, I might rebate his money. I usually don't play with guys too drunk to be responsible for their actions.

Not sure what any of that has to with making a comment that triggers another player to flash a winning hand then muck it, while not releasing your own hand.

You forfeit the pot

Isn't that what I said?

It's definitely what I was implying.

I don't doubt that it may happen but in a cash game that's pretty bad policy. Its a very different situation from players chopping a pot as a deal or as a loan.

As a dealer I would never say a word to discourage it (as long as it appears to be freewill and resolution of a genuine dispute). As a player I have given the pot to the player who I thought was the legitimate winner of a hand who mucked at showdown due to a misunderstanding.