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Who has to show cards first? Who has to show cards first?

11-24-2015 , 01:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
but what's the most standardized rule? I'd suspect that this happens so infrequently that 90% of the dealers in ANY room don't know their own room's rule on the issue and I'd also suspect that most floors would be shooting from the hip to have an answer on the spot.
actually, tbh, this is the one rule in my room that the dealers and floorpeople all seem to get right when approached; the rule in AC is that last aggressor shows first and I have yet to hear a dealer tell a player otherwise.

what I think seemed to be the issue itt, was that, whether your room's rule states that it's last aggressor or earliest position, electing to just show your hand when it's apparent that your opponent wants to save face, only helps to speed up the game. But, if OP just wants to know what the rule is, then clearly he/she will have to take that up with the room that he plays in as there is no one set rule for this situation. But, I do know that many of the card rooms in the US have: worst position shows first, in fact, most rooms that I've played in use this rule.

Last edited by Rush17; 11-24-2015 at 01:43 AM.
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11-24-2015 , 02:31 AM
That's not the question. It's about side pots and if "show for the main" goes off the action after the one all in player was out of chips (and made the last aggressive action at that point) or if it goes off the action after that point.

"Last aggressor" is already known as the room rule.
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11-24-2015 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
That's not the question.

"Last aggressor" is already known as the room rule.


I just don't see how anyone on here can answer that question(main pot, side pot, whatever)---it's whatever the rule is in HIS room. Which, is why so many posters were just saying "just show your hand", cause without knowing what the rule actually is in his room, we're pretty much left with just our 'opinions.'(albeit experienced opinions, imho)

I dunno. There are only a few choices to chose from when implementing the "who shows first" rule and does it really matter if I tell OP that my room would use last aggressor in this spot only to find out that his room always goes by worst position? Just ask the Floor, very simple.

Last edited by Rush17; 11-24-2015 at 03:44 AM.
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11-24-2015 , 06:21 AM
I vote the All in guy on the turn show first
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11-24-2015 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by RR
It should be the player in the earliest position. Or a more general answer is you should show, if you are the type to hold up the game because you don't know if you should show, you should just show your cards right now and get on to the next hand, that way you don't have to worry about whose turn it is, just show and move on.
This. Keep the game moving.
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11-24-2015 , 10:04 PM
Guy got mad at me today because I didn't show. I was all in and had nothing, missed all my draws. I mucked my hand and said I had nothing. He explained to me that I needed to show my hand first before he flipped over his. I told him a i missed my draw so I don't think it matters that much.
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11-24-2015 , 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Guy got mad at me today because I didn't show. I was all in and had nothing, missed all my draws. I mucked my hand and said I had nothing. He explained to me that I needed to show my hand first before he flipped over his. I told him a i missed my draw so I don't think it matters that much.
Tell him he's a good candidate to be the next poster child for online poker.
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11-25-2015 , 12:22 AM
Just going to provide cliffs again because it seems like my particular scenario keeps getting generalized/misconstrued:

1. At Borgata cash, they DGAF about position. 100% irrelevant.

2. At Borgata cash, LAST AGGRESSOR shows.

3. Villain1 shoves on turn. Villain2 and I call (3way main pot). On river, I shove and Villain2 folds (2way empty/null side pot). The question at hand is: Given the 3way main pot and the 2way empty side pot, who is considered last aggressor aka who shows first?

3a. I just want to know the answer for my own knowledge. No intention of making Villain1 or any future potential fish uncomfortable.

4. AS SOON AS Villain2 folded to my shove on river, the dealer said to me

"Jenn, you show first, you were last action" and I immediately tabled the hand without hesitation.

Last edited by jl654; 11-25-2015 at 12:39 AM.
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11-25-2015 , 12:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jl654
Just going to provide cliffs again because it seems like my particular scenario keeps getting generalized/misconstrued:

1. At Borgata cash, they DGAF about position. 100% irrelevant.

2. At Borgata cash, LAST AGGRESSOR shows.

3. Villain1 shoves on turn. Villain2 and I call (3way main pot). On river, I shove and Villain2 folds (2way empty/null side pot). The question at hand is: Given the 3way main pot and the 2way empty side pot, who is considered last aggressor aka who shows first?

3a. I just want to know the answer for my own knowledge. No intention of making Villain1 or any future potential fish uncomfortable.

4. AS SOON AS Villain2 folded to my shove on river, the dealer said to me

"Jenn, you show first, you were last action" and I immediately tabled the hand without hesitation.
Well, I already told you that if you really want the correct answer, you should simply just ask one of the more reputable floorpeople at the Borgata(there's many), because, this is NOT one of those "written in stone" rules that's going to be the same regardless of where you play.

But, if you still feel the need to keep this thread alive, then by all means, carry on.
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11-25-2015 , 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
Well, I already told you that if you really want the correct answer, you should simply just ask one of the more reputable floorpeople at the Borgata(there's many), because, this is NOT one of those "written in stone" rules that's going to be the same regardless of where you play.

But, if you still feel the need to keep this thread alive, then by all means, carry on.
Rush, I know what you already told me. I'm glad you feel Borgata still has many reputable floorpeople. I think you are a minority if you ask most Borg regulars.

Since this is a Forum, I thought I'd get the community's conclusions given the data and action, and maybe, just maybe healthy discussion. Before any discussion though, there needs to be clarity on the facts, which I was offering since there was deviation. Hahaha and of course I know to ask floor people at Borg if I want their "ruling" (even though I'll get discrepant answers).
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11-25-2015 , 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
Guy got mad at me today because I didn't show. I was all in and had nothing, missed all my draws. I mucked my hand and said I had nothing. He explained to me that I needed to show my hand first before he flipped over his. I told him a i missed my draw so I don't think it matters that much.
The guy is a freaking idiot. What if you suck at hand-reading and caught some wierd back-door draw you didn't even notice got there? You were willing to give up your claim to the pot, but because he decided to be a jack-ass, your cards are live and the pot goes to you.
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Originally Posted by jl654
2. At Borgata cash, LAST AGGRESSOR shows.

4. AS SOON AS Villain2 folded to my shove on river, the dealer said to me

"Jenn, you show first, you were last action" and I immediately tabled the hand without hesitation.
Well, you ARE the last aggressor.
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11-25-2015 , 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jl654
Rush, I know what you already told me. I'm glad you feel Borgata still has many reputable floorpeople. I think you are a minority if you ask most Borg regulars.

Since this is a Forum, I thought I'd get the community's conclusions given the data and action, and maybe, just maybe healthy discussion. Before any discussion though, there needs to be clarity on the facts, which I was offering since there was deviation. Hahaha and of course I know to ask floor people at Borg if I want their "ruling" (even though I'll get discrepant answers).

Contrary to what you may think, the community can actually handle a little bit of deviation from a thread and still manage to get right back on track.

And, posters telling you to "show your hand" are NOT (trying) to go off track or be harsh towards you; they're just trying to point out, that regardless of what YOUR room's rule may be, the bottom line will always be: "just show your hand." Now, if you don't agree with that, then I'm having a hard time believing that you just wanted to know the rule just for the sake of knowing it. What they're saying TRUMPS any "rule."

Enough said.

As to your direct question:

Last aggressor shows first. You were last aggressor regardless if you were called or not. Show your hand. THAT'S the rule, I just asked one of the shift-managers here at the Borgata. So, the next time this comes up for you, you'll know the rule.

You're welcome.

Some more truth: you're bound to get all sorts of answers to different rules from just about any poker room you play in(some rooms better than others of course) so, you're probably going to benefit a lot more by just using common sense and good etiquette, in general.

Last edited by Rush17; 11-25-2015 at 02:16 AM.
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11-25-2015 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jl654
Just going to provide cliffs again because it seems like my particular scenario keeps getting generalized/misconstrued:

Given the 3way main pot and the 2way empty side pot, who is considered last aggressor aka who shows first?
Your scenario keeps "getting generalized" because there is no right answer. It is going to vary room-to-room, dealer-to-dealer, floor-to-floor depending on room rules, their interpretation of said rules, their understanding of the situation, the mood they are in, etc...

So the correct answer to your question is what everyone is telling you: If you want to win the pot, show your damn hand.
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11-25-2015 , 10:02 AM
The right answer is "jl654 is the last aggressor and show the hand first". The rule is clear.
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11-27-2015 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jl654
This situation took place in a 2/5 nlhe game at Borgata. FYI this is a room where the last aggressor must table/muck his/her hand first, even if it goes check check on the river.

We are 3way on the turn. I am first to act. I lead out for $125. A player in MP calls. A player on the button shoves all in for $150 total. I complete and so does the player in MP.

On the river, MP and I are heads up. As mentioned, I am first to act. I shove all in. MP folds. Meaning, there is no side pot.

Who is supposed to table the hand first: the all in player OTB or me?
Depends on house rules. At my local casino you would have to show first as you were the last aggressor.

Not saying that that is a good way.. just saying there is no one standard.
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