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05-05-2016 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Synchronic
.... Did the player take a hand is the go to call, I bet nine out of 10 times.....
I think that you'd be an overall loser with this bet....
There are a lot of variations, apparently, but IME the most common rule is that the existing players have to lock up the seat (or at least say something) before the new player actually puts his chips down and/or seats himself.
Especially in rooms where new players have to post, it's common for a new player to wait a few hands for the blinds. It would not make sense to allow the other players to displace them during that time (although I guess from reading this thread that there are rooms which would do exactly that).
There are clearly more rules variations in the poker world than most of us can imagine.....
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05-05-2016 , 01:47 PM
Depends how long the seat has been open. If it's just opened up, it's open to any players currently at the table, regardless of whether they have a seat change button or not. If it's been open for a while, the new player gets it.
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05-05-2016 , 03:42 PM
A player currently playing's opportunity to lock up the empty seat ends when the new player arrives at the table. If you want that seat you need to say something to the dealer before the noob gets there.

This is obviously room dependent(because not every room is run by someone with common sense), but common sense says this is just how it should be.
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05-05-2016 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Synchronic
When push comes to shove which it rarely does admittedly, what else is there to base it on other than, "has he taken a hand?" If you've touched the chair, if you've set your chips down, if you've put your jacket on the back of the seat, if you've sat down ... when an actual dispute arises and the floor is called, what standard can he use? "Did he take a hand or not?" is the only clear cut thing the floor can go on. He or she can't be on top of who touched what chairs in the room. Did the player take a hand is the go to call, I bet nine out of 10 times, until then the seat is open to current players. He ain't a player till he takes one. He could even get called for another table immediately as often happens between when he sits and when he is officially in the game.
The only standard he should use is " did the player set down chips on the table or not"
If he set down chips, it is his seat. If he did not set down chips, then the seat is open to anyone on the table.
This has been explained several times in this thread. This is the most common and best way to do it. Places that do it differently are wrong, but you must respect their house rules if you play there.
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05-05-2016 , 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
As I said earlier, very few rooms consistently fill a seat within the course of one hand. The table is playing 9-handed (or 8 depending on the room) for at least a couple hands, so the player who wants to move usually has a few minutes to take the seat before the new player arrives.

I ask the same question as before. What if I was waiting for the button to pass and after waiting 4 hands, somebody asks? You can't use the "I was in a hand" argument when multiple hands have passed.
In which case you could tell the dealer u are moving after the button. The dealer puts down the reserved button. So the new player doesn't get to sit there or at least knows he will be moving but even this is a non sequitor. If he did sit down and the V wanting to did not say something. Then the new player gets a hand and the seat is his.
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05-05-2016 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bot01101
The only standard he should use is " did the player set down chips on the table or not"
If he set down chips, it is his seat. If he did not set down chips, then the seat is open to anyone on the table.
This has been explained several times in this thread. This is the most common and best way to do it. Places that do it differently are wrong, but you must respect their house rules if you play there.
Neither chips down or taken a hand rule is wrong. This isn't a right or wrong rule. Also based on evidence here it seems there is pretty good split so I am not certain which has a plurality. Plus non random responses is hardly a representative sample.

To those supporting chips down, what if a current player informs dealer he is moving after this hand. Dealer continues the hand and before he puts out a reserved button new player comes up and puts down chips. Does it go to the new player? After all his chips are on the table.

Will this happen frequently? No. But it can and will,happen.
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05-06-2016 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Fore
In which case you could tell the dealer u are moving after the button. The dealer puts down the reserved button. So the new player doesn't get to sit there or at least knows he will be moving but even this is a non sequitor. If he did sit down and the V wanting to did not say something. Then the new player gets a hand and the seat is his.
This doesn't answer my question.

If a player wants to do that, it's completely fine, but if the new player wants to come in immediately in his eventual seat, in our room the player wanting to move has to move immediately. Example;

Player in S9
Button in S1
SB/BB in S2/S3
S4 is open

S9 wants to move to S4 after the button passes that seat. If the new player wants to play immediately from S9, then the player has to move immediately. The only exception is if the player wanting to move is already in the blinds or button.
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05-06-2016 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Fore
......what if a current player informs dealer he is moving after this hand. Dealer continues the hand and before he puts out a reserved button new player comes up and puts down chips. Does it go to the new player? After all his chips are on the table.
Will this happen frequently? No. But it can and will,happen.

Actually, it does happen frequently.
Current player has claimed the seat in time and gets it. (If there's a dispute, floor will ask dealer.)
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05-06-2016 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
.......if the new player wants to come in immediately in his eventual seat, in our room the player wanting to move has to move immediately.....
Standard.
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05-06-2016 , 12:38 PM
the right way if someone wants to move they must take it right then or risk losing it.
new player chips down or sits down should be his seat if not declared before.

other wise new player can be shuffled all around and not get a seat for a long time if other players keep asking for his new seat. ive seen it happen when they had the old rules.
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05-06-2016 , 12:47 PM
Who are these miserable people that ask for a seat after someone has already sat down?
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05-06-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Who are these miserable people that ask for a seat after someone has already sat down?
Limited experience in Casinos, but I have never seen this happen like the OP. I just think this was a case of two guys with some history butting heads.
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05-06-2016 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Fore
Also based on evidence here it seems there is pretty good split so I am not certain which has a plurality.
That just isn't true. It is heavily weighted toward the "you're SOL" crowd, which is a hopeful outcome imo. But you see what you want to see. I suggest a simple count if you need verification
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05-07-2016 , 12:07 PM
This has happened to me. A new table was started and I went and took a seat. What appeared to be an OMC reg came up behind me and told me to move. I looked back and said "excuse me?"

He said he wanted to sit there and I needed to move. He started raising his voice and other players who clearly knew him just shrugged at me, and told him to grab another seat. He said hell no, this is the seat he wants and that he'd leave if I didn't move. He bowed up and stuck out his chest as if to imply he's tough and might whip me or something lol.

If he would have simply said please, I would have gladly moved. I Wouldn't have even given it a second thought. And I told him that. He threatened over and over that he would leave if I didn't move.

So I just stopped responding to him and he got embarrassed and realized that to save face he'd have to leave, and then walked out in a huff, with other regs telling him to stay.

What made it more funny is this happened at Choctaw in Oklahoma which meant he probably had to drive a while to get to the casino, as its out in the sticks.
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05-07-2016 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Naxetami
This has happened to me. A new table was started and I went and took a seat. What appeared to be an OMC reg came up behind me and told me to move. I looked back and said "excuse me?"

He said he wanted to sit there and I needed to move. He started raising his voice and other players who clearly knew him just shrugged at me, and told him to grab another seat. He said hell no, this is the seat he wants and that he'd leave if I didn't move. He bowed up and stuck out his chest as if to imply he's tough and might whip me or something lol.
Lol, exactly the same thing happend to me in the past. I asked the guy why he wanted to have that seat to see if there was any kind of medical reason but all he did was repeat that this was his seat and I had to move immediately or he would call the floor to have me moved. I just ignored him after that and instead of calling for the floor he yelled some profanities at me and left. According to some regs at the table, this wasn't the first time something like that happend with that guy. Nobody seemd to be upset about him leaving, so I figured he prolly wasn't very good for the game anyway.

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Who are these miserable people that ask for a seat after someone has already sat down?
I think it's more about a total lack of self-awareness than about being miserable.
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05-07-2016 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
This doesn't answer my question.

If a player wants to do that, it's completely fine, but if the new player wants to come in immediately in his eventual seat, in our room the player wanting to move has to move immediately. Example;

Player in S9
Button in S1
SB/BB in S2/S3
S4 is open

S9 wants to move to S4 after the button passes that seat. If the new player wants to play immediately from S9, then the player has to move immediately. The only exception is if the player wanting to move is already in the blinds or button.
This topic has not been about how long a seat can be held waiting for a player to move. I agree if the new player wants to play now and the moving player is not already in the blinds or button he has to move now. In fact unless the seat is positioned such that anyone taking it can't play, the player needs to move now to allow new player to come in. Also any subsequent moves also happen now. But like I said previously this is completely non sequitor to the discussion how long a current players dibs on a new seat remain in play
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05-07-2016 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Naxetami
This has happened to me. A new table was started and I went and took a seat. What appeared to be an OMC reg came up behind me and told me to move. I looked back and said "excuse me?"
Completely different scenario
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05-07-2016 , 03:49 PM
In the past I have worked in Rooms which allow an existing player to claim a seat up till the new player is actually dealt in. This is a horrible rule.

My current room an existing player who wants the seat has to request the seat before a new players locks it up. Seat change buttons are only relevant in determining priority if two or more existing players want the open seat.
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05-07-2016 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Who are these miserable people that ask for a seat after someone has already sat down?
Probably the same people who invoke I want to see that hand.
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05-09-2016 , 07:18 PM
Had this happen a couple days ago at Canterbury Park. Thankfully floor was right nearby and heard the player insisting he gets my seat. He came over and explained that as soon as I sat down I had "locked up" that seat, and that the player should have spoken up before a new player arrived.
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05-09-2016 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Naxetami
This has happened to me. A new table was started and I went and took a seat. What appeared to be an OMC reg came up behind me and told me to move. I looked back and said "excuse me?"

He said he wanted to sit there and I needed to move. He started raising his voice and other players who clearly knew him just shrugged at me, and told him to grab another seat. He said hell no, this is the seat he wants and that he'd leave if I didn't move. He bowed up and stuck out his chest as if to imply he's tough and might whip me or something lol.

If he would have simply said please, I would have gladly moved. I Wouldn't have even given it a second thought. And I told him that. He threatened over and over that he would leave if I didn't move.

So I just stopped responding to him and he got embarrassed and realized that to save face he'd have to leave, and then walked out in a huff, with other regs telling him to stay.

What made it more funny is this happened at Choctaw in Oklahoma which meant he probably had to drive a while to get to the casino, as its out in the sticks.
What a dumb ass.Amazing what happens when people can't just be nice.
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05-10-2016 , 11:43 AM
Parx lets you move incoming players.

I was given a seat by the floor, I put my chips there and sit. A player says, "oh I wanted that seat". The dealer lets him have it. I stand up, grab my chips and move to his seat. Another player says, "If his seat was available, I want to move there". Dealer allows it, so I stand up a 2nd time, gather the chips and move. Now a 3rd guy says "Can I have that seat?". I stand up a 3rd time and he laughs, "just messing with you"
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05-10-2016 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by zioxcult
Parx lets you move incoming players.

I was given a seat by the floor, I put my chips there and sit. A player says, "oh I wanted that seat". The dealer lets him have it. I stand up, grab my chips and move to his seat. Another player says, "If his seat was available, I want to move there". Dealer allows it, so I stand up a 2nd time, gather the chips and move. Now a 3rd guy says "Can I have that seat?". I stand up a 3rd time and he laughs, "just messing with you"
And you still remember that, which just proves that it wasn't a very good customer experience. I don't see a single reason for a card room to let stuff like that happen.
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05-11-2016 , 08:50 PM
I would have told him to go eat a dick.
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05-12-2016 , 11:43 AM
the dealer doesnt make decisions or the rules. that is for the floorman. only accept a dealer decision it it goes for you.
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