This whole thing goes away with an addition to the 'single silent chip rule' by adding that 'any' single silent chip can 'only' complete the bet facing a player if he already has chips in front.

Or you change the rule to apply that any chip(s) put into play will be taken at their full face value regardless of the action a player is facing and regardless to whether they have any chips in play already .. unless those chips fail to complete a bet or raise then 'other' rules will apply at that time.

I initially thought this would be ruled a call .. I think even in the MS Twitter chatter he opened the door up to a call if the player paused in the betting 'routine'.

Take the cash game case where a player bets $25 and is min-raised to $50. Having no other chips (maybe) he flips out a $100 chip 'to call' but is now forced to raise to $125.

So the whole basis of the rule changes just because he has chips already out in front. Seems this could easily be remedied but for now we need the dealer to stop action and clarify intent or roll the dice with a Floor ruling which may depend on how the action is described by the dealer. GL

Seems to me that putting the pressure on a player to verbalize their intent by modifying all rules to indicate that 'any' chips put out will be taken at full value unless otherwise indicated by the player would clean a lot of this up. It eliminates most angle that I can think of and forces players to think before acting with 'big' chips.

Why rely on the Dealer and Floor to clean up a player's mess ... GL

That is a call.

Only because he didn't pull anything back then, eh? If no chip(s) were in the betting area the same action is also a call, but if he opened the action then it's a $100 bet. This can create confusion ..

Now he pulls back the $25 and silently flips out the $100 .. call $50, not $100. This can create confusion ..

Now he has 5 reds out there and pulls one back, then flips out the $100. Now it's $120 per this discussion. And this did create confusion ..

Simplify all of this by simply 'ruling' that any and all chips put out in the betting area are 'in play' at full value unless a verbal action has been giving prior or they violate some other betting rule when totaled up.

This puts the responsibility squarely on the player, where it should be. And be damned for any 'tell' a player gives off because they have a froggy/squeaky voice. GL

Leave the rule as is. If it confuses you, then just bone up on this rile.

Yes, if the amount is not a complete raise. Correct?

Ian...

No, not correct.

It is a call because of the oversize chip rule.

The 50% rule is the rule in most rooms, which means you do not need to have a full complete raise out to be ruled a raise.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or what, and I mean this in the friendliest way possible, but you should ask your new room for some training on this if you are not kidding around.

It's not so much knowing the rule, it's whether a tweak of the rules makes more sense in general. Why leave the door open to potential Dealer/Floor rulings and certainly player confusion when it comes to 'similar' non-verbal chip actions.

Put the responsibility of an action squarely onto the player and eliminate the interpretation of an action by a 2nd/3rd party.

I use the word interpretation loosely since, yes, we do have rules in place that cover these spots. But we all know that warnings are handed out like candy in most rooms when a player fights for what he 'wanted' to do as opposed to what he actually did. GL

Anytime a player is facing a bet and tosses out a single chip which has a value larger than the bet they are facing they will be held to a call. The fact that they already had chips out there does not affect this rule. It will be a call always.

The question here is where a player already has chips out there like the SB would and then they take some, but not all, of the chips back and then toss out a single large chip worth enough to raise on top of those other chips. My answer is: yes, that would be considered a raise.

If the player did not pull any of the original chips back and tossed out a single large chip it would be a call.

If the player pulled back all of the chips and then tossed out a single large chip it would also be a call.

The takeaway here is to make your action out of the small blind abundantly clear. Big blind as well, but this happens more often out of the small blind.

Got it. Thanks for clearing that up.

It's a raise because he left 3x100 chips in if he took back all chips and put 1 x5000 chip it would of been a call raise was 5,300

**** if its a call or raise I'm wondering where my dawg hitting 5.3k into a 800 BB is lol

You mean like saying "call" or " raise" with a one chip move ?? Oh the humanity!

But but but that's so difficult!!!

Unless it involves just a single chip, you can just as easy grab all the chips you are going to use and throw them in together. Then it's a raise for certain. Unfortunately, the same person who will just throw one chip on top of the small blind and then argue it was a raise are the same that put their antes like 1 inch in front of their finger and about 3 feet away from the dealer. Some players are the most lazy people you will ever meet.