If I am correct about what room the OP is talking about (The Orleans), he is reasonable to have a problem with the way the games are handled by the dealers. While I don't play 4/8 O8 there and so haven't seen the specific issues he has, the dealers there are definitely the worst of any I have found in, and I have played in maybe 30 rooms.

The players are also the worst about going out of turn, making vague actions, etc., which gives the dealers more work to do (which they don't do, because they don't "run" the games). Many times I have had a dealer or floor interpret an action in what I believe was the wrong way, costing me money.

They have great games there, but it seems like a third of the time I play there I leave angry because of something stupid like that, and then have to take a break from playing there. While TS2 hasn't been handling his situation well, the rest of you guys probably really don't get how bad the situation there is. It is actually not the same shenanigans as at every other low limit game in the country, it is much worse.

TBH, I like playing at The Orleans (we stay there when visiting LV) just for those reasons. It's almost all regs playing there and it has just the right amount of sleaze and the amount of moaning/groaning is off the charts. I love it.

And, for our overseas friends (or USA#1's that haven't played there) who don't know anything about The Orleans poker room I'm going to illustrate the culture w/ these 2 pics:

Typical Aria player:



Typical Orleans player:

you are the best howard.

Haha the red shoes are the coup de grâce.

Tx, Ray, that means a lot to me.

Put me in psandman's camp, or at least the "if Orleans wants to run itself that way, don't expect any sympathy when the **** hits the fan" camp.

OP sounds like a nit but from the rest of y'alls descriptions, I wouldn't touch the Orleans with a ten foot pole.

The guy in the $1,500 designer shoes at Aria probably plays ego-fueled hyperaggressive poker so I'll play there and pretend to be regaled by his amazing life story (finalist on some reality show or something) and stack him repeatedly and at the end of the night still get a high five from and give a "see you in a few hours when your ATM limit resets" to him.

The Orleans is an acquired taste that should be tried at least once, just to see.

I did not know he was talking about the Orleans. Now that I know that I have no doubt about the truth of his complaints ... in fact they may be understated.

I would have assumed he meant Orleans as well, but he said this...

You are starting to catch on to something with this post

To be clear, some of what you mentioned as far as in game "infractions" go should not go undisclosed.

But it seems that you have may have turned this occurrence:

"one time one person showed their neighbor their cards while they were both in a pot with other players still in as well and the dealer didn't notice it happened"

into this description:

"Everyone shows each other their hole cards while other players are still in the hand and none of the dealers or floor people care that they do this"


The live low stakes Omaha players in Las Vegas definitely do display a lot of what you have described as far as general soft play and miscellaneous personality traits indeed. And some even take things too far and cross the line of integrity in the game. There is nothing wrong with making those scenarios known to either a dealer or a floor person as they happen.

Understanding and learning how to do this, and when to do this might in fact help you to continue to play in the soft games without damaging your own potential to continue to reap the benefits of this extremely soft setting.

It is my general experience that a majority of the dealers and floor people in the room(s) you are talking about are in fact pretty good at their jobs and care about the integrity of their games.

It sure seems possible that you have let some of your early negative experiences from sessions 1-3 (like the two old muppets not wanting you to talk rubbed you the wrong way, and that one time you played with 2 terrible players who may have attempted to cheat to help each other win a pot that one hand) impact your actions to a degree that is now probably detrimental to your own cause.

Allowing a few negative experiences to snowball into what it seems to have become a full blown conspiracy that all live low stakes Omaha games are sabotaged in Las Vegas and no one cares.

Some of your concerns were legit and could have/should have been handled in an inconspicuous and appropriate manner without rocking the boat (tapping the glass) and several people here attempted to tell you this, but it didn't seem to be enough for you. Sorry for your loss, but your reactions in the face of the situations most likely have become your own loss rather than "fixing" all the problems with the integrity of the live low stakes O8 games.

Oops, you're right, I guess he's not talking about the Orleans? Oh well, I kind of empathize anyway...maybe all Vegas locals' casinos have these shenanigans?

He's not talking about the Orleans. He specifically said Stations Casinos, so it may have been Main Street, or whatever. I don't remember if he even said Vegas, so it could be Graton, or whatever.

Have you tried the 2/4 LHE? It's similar, but not so much grumbling, unless you raise pf. It's a great game for getting free drinks.

I did that years ago at The Palms bec it was the only lhe game they spread. I got 'em pretty good when it came to Dos Equis and Patron! Now I can't drink bec of this damn metformin I have to take for high blood sugar.

And since this thread is wandering all over the place I will toss in my funny Orleans story:

Arizona doesn't allow NL so I sat in a 1-2 NL game at The Orleans to give it a try and, CONFIRMED!, NL is the most boringest, soul crushing poker variant there is, imo. Anyway, the game was playing limp, limp, limp, limp $20!, fold, fold, fold, fold. The lady on my left complained for an hour bec she'd limp 80% and then fold to the raise and say 'Darn it, I really wanted to play some of those hands!' I suggested that she try the 4-8 lhe game where she could play them all only to be told 'You expect me to play limit where they draw out on you every time?'

I love The Orleans poker room! And, if I'm lucky, I will live long enough to play w/ the new chips that they aren't going to buy nm that you have to be careful racking up to cash out bec you can fit 22 chips into each row of a rack.

The average NL player will tell you that's a great game.

And have room left over. The goofy part is they're not all worn to the same degree, so one stack of 20 might be significantly shorter or taller than another stack of 20. It's pretty bad when you count out one stack and then expect the other 4 stacks to be at the same level, and they're not.

I've never seen a poker room get new chips to replace existing chips, other than weird stuff like the Bellagio robberies. Even then, those were only big chips. I remember playing at Sahara with chips that were likely 30 to 40 years old.

One casino I know of replaced all their greens and reds but only some of the whites or they may have added on some whites. Now about seven years later it is easy to indent icy the old and new whites based on both thickness and how defined the edges are.

My casino doesn't just replace them all at one time. Bur periodically new chips will show up in the cage and get worked into circulation and presumably they are pulling out older chips in their place.