OP - Can the game run if it's self-dealt, or is it dealer-dealt or nothing? When I've played bar games they were always self-dealt.

These dealers are providing you a service, and if the table as a group wants that service you're going to have to tip enough to make it worth their while. Questioin is what that service is. Is the service just dealing the cards, such that you could forego them dealing, but self-deal? Or is the service providing the game at all? If the dealers are the organizers of the game and/or in tight with the bar owners, it may be that if they don't deal, the game doesn't run. If that's the case, then the dealers will rightfully expect to earn more money, because they're not just providing you with dealing services they're providing you with an opportunity to play.

He got lucky that he didn't have a jackass customer tell him at the end of the night to give his tips back in exchange for not complaining to the supervisor.

I've seen that happen at a restaurant and it was pretty funny.

OP said he was tipping $1-$3 per hand. If everybody tips at this rate the dealer is making at least $20/h assuming a rate of 20 hands/h. Let's say they are not dealing constantly and only make $15/h including down-time. You really think you would deserve more than $15/h doing a half-assed unprofessional job (based on OP's description)? If the average tips are $10/h or less, then sure, they have a valid complaint, otherwise a job that takes very little skill or training to do poorly shouldn't really deserve more than that. A professional, skilled dealer deserves more, of course.

browni if you were to turn down a job offer because the compensation does not meet your assessment of your worth, could the employer change your mind by convincing you it's all you deserve?

lol if so.

I bet the dealers here also run the game in the sense that if they're not there, the game won't be allowed to be played. If that's the case, they have a bit of a monopoly and should expect to get paid more. They likely are also at some legal risk here if the game gets busted, which also would cause them to expect higher pay.

Its impossible to extrapolate how much a dealer is making from the OPs comment that he was tipping $1-$3 per hand he won. We have no idea how much the dealer was making, but we do know that it was an amount the dealer found insufficient. Whether we would individually agree with that assessment would only be a guess...... but If I had to take a guess about it, I would find the information from the dealer far more convincing then information from a player or an extrapolation based on little information.

If you were to take a purely unscientific poll of 100 people across various industries who you feel perform their duties in a half-assed unprofessional manner, you will find that the vast majority of those people honestly believe that they are great workers who perform at a high level.

Again from OP's post its impossible to actually know what kind of job was being done. He tells us there were many errors but the only one specifically mentioned is failure to move the button.

But some things people call major errors aren;t that big a deal. If a dealer forgets to move the button at the exact time that proper procedure dictates .... but none the less gets the button moved. One person may feel this is a grave error. While not moving the button is an error ..... what typically happens if the dealer doesn;t move the button .... a player moves it or when the dealer calls for the blinds they players balk because I was just the BB last hand.... andthe problem gets resolved. Yes I wou;ld prefer that it never happen .... but in terms of issues ata poker table ... generally pretty low.

so its possible thsi dealer was horrible. Its also possible that OP is overreactng to minor issues. We don't know.

But one thing we do know is that the OP is an obvious troll who created this bogus SN/account to post his anti-dealer/anti-tipping rant outside of the consolidated tipping thread. The OP hasn't even bothered to sign back into 2+2 under this fake SN since he created the thread.

Curious how I line up with others...

- I tip when I win a pot, over $10, that sees a flop ($1 for pots where I net <$100-150, $2-3 for larger ones).
- I tipped $30 on a $300 high hand, recently. But if I could do it over again, I probably would have only tipped $15.
- I never tip the cage.
- I never tip the chip runner.
- I never tip a dealer any loose $1 chips when I'm racking up for the night.
- I never tip a dealer when he's finished his down.

This is all at 1/2 and 1/3 NL.

Maybe you should include the rake structure and if you get comps or not.

Vancouver area of BC, Canada: 10% to $7 rake, no comps, I tip 1 for pots ~50+ for the most part and that is it.

Rake is $5+1 at Harrah's Philly, and $5+2 at Delaware Park. I think the comps are roughly $1/hr for Harrah's; and I'm unsure of Del. Park comps, but I think it might be less than $1/hr there.

You're a decent tipper and a better tipper than the majority of the people who post in this thread.

If the room where you play has chip runners bring you chips whenever you do a buy in then not tipping them is okay. If you're asking chip runners to do color ups for you, then you might want to start tipping them a buck for that service.

Agreed. That's exactly what I do. One is a service I requested; one is not.

I also agree completely.


I tip the cage if I make a special request as to how I want my cash; e.g., all "new" $100 bills, or if I want a big bill or two broken down into smaller bills. Also, If I cash out with a substantial win (>$1k) that includes small bills, then I'll leave a buck or two for the tip jar.

I agree that tipping for coloring up does make sense.

I consider myself an over tipper. Mostly because while I try to win the money on the table isn't important to me.

- I tip when I win a pot, $1 even if it's just taking the blinds, $2-3 for > 200, $5 for > 500
- I tipped $50 on a 500 high hand, $75 on a $750 but only $50 on $1000 high hand after I remembered they're giving me a tax form
- I tipped $5 on a $100 hot seat promo - dealer had nothing to do with the promo other than lucky timing being in the box
- I always tip the cage $1 even it's a losing session
- I never tip the chip runner for rebuys but will for color ups
- I often but not always tip a dealer any loose $1 chips when I'm racking up for the night.
- I never tip a dealer when he's finished his down.

I'm more generous than average in my local population but not ridiculously so and there are people who tip even more.

Players, giving the dealer a compliment is not a substitute for a reasonable tip. If you stiff me then tell me I'm great at my job, you're just making me feel like I'm wasting my time in this occasionally soul crushing profession.

That is all.

How should a table decide how much to tip for a bad beat jackpot? Is there a standard? Aka like 15-20% that waitresses get (Obviously no one would ever tip that much but is there a common amount to tip)

Never ubered before, is tipping standard/possible? Cash or is there an option

Itz,

They just added a tipping option in the app.

The table doesn't decide. You decide how much you want to tip out of your share. Your money.

Consider: if the total table share is X% and there are Y players getting a table share, then a table share is X/Y%.

ie, if the jackpot split is 50-25-25 and there are 10 players at the table,
8 players get a table share so X = 25% and Y = 8 and each table share is roughly 3% (of which you will probably pay one third in taxes).

So, if everybody tips about 3%, the dealer would end up with about a table share.

And, there is no standard. Don't believe dealers, floors, or other players.

Omaha8, 4/8, half kill, hand was JJxx, turn the board was JJ45. Told the dealer if he gave me a black king I'd toss him a fiver.

Got the king, he got a redbird. Always fun to get what you want.

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I tip $1 for a deal (including a chop), $2 for pots at least $20, and 10% for high hand wins (usually $300 or $500). Used to tip all my odd 1s at the cage (less than $5 increments), but the cage guy was running the board the other day, I asked if he'd put up 1/2 PLO interest, and then asked if he'd announce it. He looked at me as though I was an ******* and said 'you're pushing it'. So I don't tip the cage anymore ... and I have more or less stoppped playing since then.

Your system seems fine.