Yeah it's pretty sleazy for a company to word things in a way where consumers think the add-on is a tip that goes to the service person but instead gets pocketed by said company.

You're in business to make money, I get it. But tacking on a "service fee" for no other reason than to increase profits at the cost of screwing over your workers (as well as the customer if they decide to tip anyway) is complete bull**** and should be illegal. It's robbing Peter to pay Paul.

It's why tipping should be completely done away with. Prices will rise because of it to compensate for the additional cost in labor, but it would at least eliminate an option to screw people over with technical jargon. And if customers want to tip anyway, then that's their choice. But it wouldn't be expected and always appreciated.

YES! Get that rake up to euro standards, quadruple or more than US standards! Great idea.

Fear mongering itt. How much do you want an hour to deal, $30? $50? Either can easily be achieved without jacking the rake by 400%. How about your own special dealer rake slot where a dollar gets dropped every hand before being dealt? How about $2? I bet the list of dealers wanting to be in the box on a Tuesday afternoon would be long then.

Restaurants are starting to head in this direction, and the prices are being increased 15-30%, and everyone knows what to expect when they go out to dine or come to work. It's an archaic practice that needs to be done away with.

First off, you and your boys in the time game will NEVER agree to $1 per hand. EVER. And you know it. YOU sir expect all the low limit players to pay your way. Why is it the avg down in your games is $8 OR LESS for the dealers? You know it is too. But hey, don't be surprised when dealers that you know are fully capaple dealers, stick into granny gear in your game.

We would all LOVE to be gtd $1-2 per hand. And it would be a RAISE! But admit it, the whiny $200-$400 mix game players would cry to the heavens.


You also know the company ain't gonna pay the wage without MASSIVE increase in rake, and they'll obviously want the major cut of that.

if dealers were averaging $8 per down how are there still dealers working there? The turnover must be tremendous. No dealer in their right mind would stay there very long.

I do like to show appreciation by tipping for good service, and am happy to do it. But I once worked with waitresses and have had a sour taste about the whole tipping culture ever since

I think most tipped positions are extremely over paid and in a privileged position with no more qualifications than most of the minimum wage workforce in America, without a sense of appreciation but entitlement

I also don't buy into the whole degradation of services without tipping, I don't even think you'd need to raise the base wages above minimum wage for most positions. More hours, potential of a raise and/or advancement is enough incentive to do a good job, if not There is a stack of applications at every business in America of people willing and happy to work for minimum wage, a few dollars more and they will go above and beyond. And where do you think all these waitresses, bartenders, and dealers are going to work if they left?

I would appreciate seeing your support for this assertion.

Your argument really falls apart there and makes you sound like a nutjob libertarian. There are plenty of people who would work for less than minimum wage too, and there are businesses who would hire them if it were legal. That is literally why we have a minimum wage.

There exist great arguments against the tip system. You are arguing against wage minimums.

People will focus on your "stack of applications" line because it is an easy target, but the above is perhaps more insane. You're saying that people would be eager to do a good job for the absolute minimum that you are legally allowed to pay them if you couple it with hope. It's too bad there's a minimum — you could have used that rationale for any lower number.

Reading comprehension at it's finest. My statement was in HIS game. That's 1 table. $75-150 or higher, mixed games. That's what he plays. And that's what dealers make in those games. Fortunately, after 30 mins in that game they move on to some other game. Sadly, at times, they have to go back to said game later in the shift however.

And yes, there are plenty of times a dealer will go the the 1-3nl, or 2-5nl full of mostly euro tourists (Las Veags) where if said players were playing in their home country, would be paying $10-$20 (sometimes higher) per hand rake, often 10% with a cap, and the dealer walks away with $8-11 because euros don't tip. But the dealers in their home country casinos earn $25+ per hour, have full medical benefits, full dental benefits, better vacation benefits than in todays US casinos.

Go to any poker room in Las Vegas, and between 30-60% of the staff is full time. Yes, there are major rooms with 65% part time employees in the box dealing. Often with over 5 yrs working for the company, still no medical/dental, and barely enough hours to pay the rent.

It wasn't always like this. Some have been in the business for many years and are amazed at how things are changing. And yes, some are leaving the business. Leaving more inept dealers to deal to you. Good luck with that game protection.

I agree

I think a lot of other factors have to do with the higher rake in Europe than wages, mostly their goverment mandated benefits, that we Americans wouldn't have as a result of no tipping, but I know verry little about it and is just an assumption

Ah that's pretty bad. I always tip if I get delivery. The delivery fee typically is 2 dollars max I feel. Drivers don't get it normally either. I feel in a poker tourny, the rake + 3% is an actually material amount for say 200-500'dollar tournies so I don't see point of tipping when I cash a small % of time and it eats of profit or losses over long run.

When you buy pizza. Atleast you can go get it yourself and not be lazy... And miss out on paying any tip etc. I just started delivering for Grubhub and look down on people that leave 2 dollar tips. It's grimy. When I order takeout, either im tipping well or just going to pick the food up myself which is Michu easier. I almost never have food delivered. Feel it's a waste of money and unnecessary.

Regards to tourny tippig, I feel grimy if I don't tip but that's prolly something I have to change. When I cashed in dailies at tstone... They go about it in a weird way giving you chips as your cash prize and giving you paper where you can write a tip or add chips to a token box. I felt I would be looked down on if I didn't tip.

At parx recently, I liked the way they handled it a lot more and didn't feel any push to tip. I feel tipping should be removed from poker honestly. Ugh a lot of dealers rub me the wrong way when playing. They all seem like degens that gamble at other places and just want tips. Also in tournies a lot of dealers are complete **** and deal super slow. It's obnoxious when one dealer is going fast and the next new dealer might deal 1 hand in the time it might take another to deal 1.5-3 hands. Btw no hate on dealers, I generalized a lot in earlier statement but some dealers are awesome people. I just don't like tipping for something where it cuts into my win rate. I feel like bad slow dealers really ruin it for fast dealers imo

At pizza hut the drivers got a part of that delivery fee, like $1.25 or something but this was many moons ago. It might actually cover their costs with their hourly wage. But I still would never order delivery if wasn't going to tip

I see no reason the business needs to charge a fee and see it like resort fees

Just go pick up your food ya lazy bastards

I apologize for making such broad statements and voicing my opinion strongly when I wasn't knowledgeable enough to do so, it seems my state is the outlier, while I assumed the opposite. I wouldn't make the same statement about the majority of the country. Here's a link that lists state minimum wages n stuff if you're interested https://www.dol.gov/whd/state/tipped.htm

I can't speak for "my boys," but I'd have no issue with a buck dealer drop, nor do I expect anyone to "pay" my way. The responsibility of paying the dealers' salaries has been placed on the players, and I'm mindful of that. I'm also mindful that dealers work harder and the game naturally moves slower in split TD games and tip accordingly, but it'd be nice if most of the dealers realized that their employers are the ones who are screwing them by not paying them a livable wage in the first place for a task they deem necessary.

They certainly don't need to raise the rake at all (aside from the dealer drop), if they pay dealers the full hourly only while active in the box. I agree that it's a tough sale, though, and so here we are.

I'm sure 90% of the dealers know it's the employer screwing them hard.

You know, yet seem unwilling to acknowledge, the players in your game are atrocious and dealers rarely walk away with more than $8 (often less) in your games. And they give the most grief!

You may feel like they (employer) don't need to raise the rake to pay the dealers a living wage. But you KNOW better than that. And they'd be breaking most every federal labor law you could think of not paying the wage when not in the box, but on the clock.

And so we are here.

It's pretty clear that in spite of these red herrings and anecdotal stories offered up as proof of something, people seem to flock to dealing, just as they flock to waiting tables. It's not as though they don't know the terms of compensation until they take the job.

Until this changes, why would casinos change anything at all? It's clearly just fine--are there a lot of open dealer jobs with no one to fill them? I've only heard the opposite from dealers. Just because people complain about something doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it; people complain about everything.

My stay in Korea is awesome, there is no tipping for any delivery. No tipping for restaurants...

However we do tip for pots that go to to the flop even though the rake is 10%. *throws up*

Is there a cap on that 10% rake, or is it unlimited?

no cap and it's full of $1/2 NL regs waiting for a 2/5 table to open. Game is pretty EV- IMO

If you are playing in a room or a tournament that pools dealer tips, is it ethical to seek out a particular dealer after the fact and tip them individually under the table for a big hand?

If you do that, I'm guessing he is still supposed to turn it in for sharing, at risk of getting fired.

I hate places where the tips are pooled. Granted, in tournaments that's always the norm(I think) but I remember way back when Foxwoods regular cash games went with this policy and I absolutely resented it. They had so many subpar dealers there, it made me not want to even tip the good ones. I say, if you can do it without anyone seeing you(I wouldn't want the dealer to get in trouble) then go for it.

To me, part of the whole tipping thing is tipping people on the sly! Like when you tip the guy at the front desk of the hotel for hooking you up with a nice room. They're not supposed to get tipped but they gladly accept it. A lot of people do. That's life. I tip everyone.