I don't know who is supposed to assign dealers. The rio is a place where someone was taking bribes to start certain satelites for years. It wouldn't be hard for a floor to tell a dealer go to table x instead of table y. I have no idea if he kept the money or put it in the tip thing at the front desk.

And yes we tipped her great. She got a redbird on at least half the hands.

I do feel bad for good dealers who get a table full of stiffs. I even mentioned the disgraceful example at Cesar's 5/10 nl.

Actually, yes, it would be. Unless something has changed recently, the strings are based on the physical layout of the tables (row 1 --> break --> row 2 --> break ... etc ...). If you managed to get a floor to re-route a push around a particular table, I'd be very curious to see how that happened, and how on earth every single dealer and floor in the building didn't report it.

That being said, the high-limit cash section at the WSOP is so notoriously abusive and poor-tipping that it is actually assigned as a punishment-rotation by some DC's. Seriously, and not even slightly joking here.

Nor does anybody else. Which I'm sure makes it a very reliable system (not).

Good for you. And I can also definitely say that there *are* PLO tables at the WSOP that treat good dealers well. But, unfortunately, they are way too few and far between to make it sensible for any solid dealer to work that gig unless they literally can't find a gig *anywhere* else. And at the end of the day, WSOP players get what they pay for. Econ 101.

It happens. But when you get a gig where it happens more often than not, time to look for other options if you have them. Again, WSOP players get what they pay for. That's how life works.


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It works both ways. I've been at plo tables at the rio where people were total stiffs for no valid reason. With that said the vast majority of the dealers at the rio and some would be vastly overpaid at even 4 dollars per down.

This year I didn't even bother with the rio bc of the ****ty dealers and floor, **** chairs, higher time costs etc except for one short session that reminded me of why I hate playing at the rio.

What's your idea of a poor tip?

There really isn't a set amount per hand. At $1/3 we generally get $1 and occasionally $2 which is fine because hands go very fast and they all tip. Higher stakes tend to play a little slower and there are a few chronic stiffers, PLO much slower than that, anything split pot takes forever because it always gets to the last round then there's a 1/6 4/6 1/6 split then we have to get everyone to come back to their seat or wake up for the next hand. Many of those players will only tip if they scoop which doesn't happen often and some simply never tip. Don't get me started on Chinese poker.

So... the slower the game the more we need per hand to maintain a decent hourly. At $5/10 Big O a $1 tip would be poor not because the pots are bigger but because they take longer.

I know numerous good dealers, who work 32-36 hrs per week & average 50k per year. That's well above avg for someone with nuttin' but a high school education. They could work 40 hours, but they take some EO [early out] here & there during the week, thanks to the fact that the recs tip $5 when they win a big $150 pot in a 1/2 game.

And easy! Talk about an easy job! Don't believe me? Go into a popular Chinese take-out joint on a Friday night & see how hard those people are working. U think they make 50k per year?

However, you are right. I don't tip more than $1 unless my profit is $200, then I'll tip $2. Still, in 2015, my tips scraped off ~11.5% of my gross profit due to variance and tipping $1 when my profit was only $20.00.

So, if they stopped the tipping & increased the rake to pay the dealers, I'd be paying the same % towards the dealers' salary as everyone else!

I agree.........the thought of a high school graduate making less than $30 per hour is ridiculous. That would be slave labor!

Here's one-- the place I play insists on taking a jackpot drop 4-6 handed, which makes the pretip cost of playing low limit poker about $24-28/hr 6 handed, and raises the 4-5 handed cost from about $10 to $20.

The chance of winning a jackpot this short handed is negligible. I've gotten to the point that where in "tough" 15/30 games (where the biggest obstacle is the rake as much as the opposition), but where it's populated by two semi-competent props and a decent player or two, my tipping has declined precipitously.

Is it a high hand jackpot or is it a bad beat? Or something other? The high hand odds don't change if it's short handed. It's you against the rest of the room, whether it's a full table or heads up.

I guess if it's bad beat, you do have a better chance on a full table.

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Bad beat and I'll let you do the math on a 10 handed 3/6 vs 4 handed 15/30 or 30s likelihood of hitting.

I'm not crazy about punishing the dealer for the room's stupid policy. Better to just move to another game in my opinion. The players are upset about a short handed game where it's difficult to beat the rake and I can pretty much guarantee the dealer doesn't want to be there either. Only the accounting guys upstairs are happy to have your table open generating revenue for the house.

My primary place is 2 miles away; secondary is 45 miles and some of the worst prime time traffic in the US away. I need the money to help start a couple of businesses I'm developing, so I need to put in hours... IMO, it is what it is.

Largely agreed, but:

a) the city where I play just raised minimum wage from ~$8.xx to $15

b) many of the rec players and playing dealer routinely tip $2-5 (and even up to $20 infrequently!) for LHE...

I'm a total nerd/even ******* about this point, but my job is to make sure the dealers are getting a living wage. Between others' exorbitant tips, the ****ty quality/competency/coffee housing of most local dealers, etc, I'm content with what they're making and have shifted my tipping down to reflect this.

I decided to tip a few bucks per hour I play to some non-profits I'm involved with so that I can sleep just fine at night.

I am curious, do people use this logic at restaurants and bars?

I usually tip a bartender/server less if the service is bad regardless of how the place is managed. If a restaurant doesn't have enough servers then I am tipping less, but the sever is working more tables so it evens out a least a little. I am also going to that place less because of the poor service.

Most of the rest of your post was OK, but the above is some Grade A crazy bull**** trolling.

I do, because I'm not tipping the house. Therefore I negotiate with management, who are the real cause.

That is, I am not paying [total bill] + [20% tip],
I am paying [total bill] - [some discount] + [20% tip].

I am never paying [total bill] + [a lesser tip] for a bad experience caused by management — I am demanding the person responsible make it right.

And if it isn't bad enough to talk to management, or if I am too lazy or non-confrontational, I'm not recouping it from the wrong person just to make myself feel whole.

Me thinks if you feel this way, then it should be total bill + 20% tip - discount, otherwise you are effectively tipping less.

Gah, that's what I meant and had originally written before shortening it to reduce line length. You are right.

Was at a table when BBJ hit. Tipped 3% to dealer.

Congrats!

Good for you...?

I'm so fed up with Hollywood Columbus dealers that I've reverted to tipping only about 2-3 dealers per shift because everyone else is super incompetent. We have a fat lady dealing who is either so fat or so lazy that she uses a stick to reach cards and chips. Another dude has made it his stated goal to be the fastest dealer in the room. He has 2-3 misdeals per down and often loses the action checking scores of games or interjecting with unsolicited betting advice.

Hilarious!

At least the fat lady isn't bothering the players by asking them to move the button and throw in bets; I have no problem with her using a stick.

Feel the same.

Reminds me of this elderly lady who used to deal at the Taj; her arms were so short that she would literally stand up to collect all the antes/blinds before every hand. God forbid the players would actually try and move their bets in closer for her. And she never once griped about it either. She always got a few extra tips from me for her efforts.

Like most people, my tipping range sucks. I need to start giving bad dealers less and whatever I would have given them I need to give good dealers. I do the same thing at restaurants too.

Hollywood Columbus ... do they pool tips? If so, then all you are doing is sending 'messages' to the ones you don't tip and the ones you do want to tip are suffering too.

Got pushed a $2200 1-2 pot the other day ($800 of my own chips) and the whole table got super quiet and tense for a short time when I didn't tip right away.

Dealer totally forgot that I tip based on the profit I make per down when I slid him $48 as he got up. (1400 x .03 = 42 plus other pots during down). Even if I lose during the down I slide at least $1 over to the dealer. I know this is non-standard, it's been discussed previously in this thread. But I pay 1, 2 or 3% of profit based on the size of the profit and I'm adding an effective $2/hour to base wages when I lose. GL

So you're saying that he should tip every dealer, even though they're completely incompetent, because, otherwise the good ones will wind up suffering?

I have no problem sending that 'message.'

Foxwoods pooled their tips for years...never stopped me from tipping accordingly. And imo, I think there stands a greater chance of the room changing their policy when the good dealers start to complain that these bad apples are ruining it for everyone else. But, whether they change their policy from pooling to everyone just keeping their own tips..I'm not going to be the one to take care of these bad dealers just so the good ones won't suffer.