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07-12-2015 , 07:34 PM
Let me add this .... if for some reason you want a $2 chip chopped that isn't for tipping the dealer ...... maybe you should think about context and how it comes across for you to decide the best moment to ask for this is right after you have been pushed a pot.

Do you realize how big an ******* you would be to do that at that exact moment? It seems to me the dealer was assuming you aren't that kind of person which is a good thing.
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07-12-2015 , 07:53 PM
Did he at least say "Thank you?" Cause that's important. And, if he didn't acknowledge it(doing an alley-oop is not a substitution for a 'thank you') then I'm not tipping him the next time.

In any event, I play a lot of split pot games so I'm used to hearing players say "Chop it", which means: You're taking half, I'm taking half. So from my perspective, I wouldn't bat an eyelash over this. And again, as long as he said, "thank you." And it doesn't need to be an over the top "Ty", in fact, just a head nod and some eye contact would be ok.

And, as others have pointed out, it probably would've come across a little more professional(and less presumptuous of him) if he just handed you back your two $1 chips, but maybe you might want to chose your words more carefully in the future so no one gets confused. A simple "Can you break this for me, please?" should suffice.

Last edited by Rush17; 07-12-2015 at 08:06 PM.
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07-12-2015 , 07:55 PM
While I agree with Psandman that's it's a reasonable assumption to keep one, I think our room must have a rule that prohibits it, as the dealers 100% return both chips to the player. Of couse, the player then 100% pushes one chip back as a tip.
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07-12-2015 , 08:02 PM
I thought you meant "Chop this with me." as in one for you, one for me.
"Change please." is what is usually said if I'm not to keep one.

But you have me rethinking things.
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07-12-2015 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by browser2920
While I agree with Psandman that's it's a reasonable assumption to keep one, I think our room must have a rule that prohibits it, as the dealers 100% return both chips to the player. Of couse, the player then 100% pushes one chip back as a tip.
It doesn't work both ways necessarily. Surely not 100% of the time, cause, that would be presumptuous. Maybe the pot was really small and the player just wants change for the waitress who's standing behind him with his drink. I've seen that before.
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07-12-2015 , 08:12 PM
"Can you change this for me?" would be a better way to get the result you were apparently looking for. Why did you need a $2 broken up at that time if not to tip the dealer? I don't think he did anything wrong, but I always return the full amount to any player that is changing a chip even if he literally tells me an amount to keep.
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07-12-2015 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
"Can you change this for me?" would be a better way to get the result you were apparently looking for. Why did you need a $2 broken up at that time if not to tip the dealer? I don't think he did anything wrong, but I always return the full amount to any player that is changing a chip even if he literally tells me an amount to keep.
Do you think it's ok to not say "thank you" when someone hands you a tip? Cause so far all we got was an alley-oop into his box. And if I had to base it on that alone, I would guess that there may be some traces of self-entightlment going on. I could be wrong, though.
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07-12-2015 , 08:28 PM
I always say thank you. I think it's the nut low when any tipped position employee doesn't say thank you when they receive every single tip.
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07-12-2015 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
I always say thank you. I think it's the nut low when any tipped position employee doesn't say thank you when they receive every single tip.
lol you're talking to the wrong person if the "nut low" is somehow a bad thing.

I understand what you're sayin. And I didn't think otherwise of you.
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07-12-2015 , 08:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jl654
$2/5 nlhe at Parx

The dealer pushed me the pot after I took it down with a 3bet. Since my stack nor the pushed pot had any $1 chips, I asked the dealer to chop up a $2 chip for me. After I slid the $2 chip, he tossed me a $1 chip and just placed the other $1 chip right into his tip box. I thought this was strange but didn't think anything of it. Maybe he thought I meant/heard me say something else.

I decided to keep this in mind the next time a pot would be pushed to me. Again, I slid the $2 chip and distinctly asked "May you chop up this chip for me?" He took it, tossed me a $1, and did some alley-oop looking maneuver with the other $1 chip into his tip box.

I've never seen this assumption carried out before. I don't know this dealer and inversely this dealer doesn't know me. Even Borg dealers whom I'm quite friendly with, they would never do this. To me, the heart of it has nothing to do with $1. I was just taken back by how presumptuous this dealer was. I didn't see him do this to anyone else but maybe they tipped with $1 chips.

Would you guys perceive this action like I did? Just wondering if you would've done what I ended up doing.
I always return the correct change when asked to chop any denomination but I've now taken to letting the player know that this was the change he asked for. Otherwise you stand a good chance of getting no tip if the player is still stacking chips or talking about the hand...
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07-12-2015 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by jl654
$2/5 nlhe at Parx

The dealer pushed me the pot after I took it down with a 3bet. Since my stack nor the pushed pot had any $1 chips, I asked the dealer to chop up a $2 chip for me. After I slid the $2 chip, he tossed me a $1 chip and just placed the other $1 chip right into his tip box. I thought this was strange but didn't think anything of it. Maybe he thought I meant/heard me say something else.

I decided to keep this in mind the next time a pot would be pushed to me. Again, I slid the $2 chip and distinctly asked "May you chop up this chip for me?" He took it, tossed me a $1, and did some alley-oop looking maneuver with the other $1 chip into his tip box.

I've never seen this assumption carried out before. I don't know this dealer and inversely this dealer doesn't know me. Even Borg dealers whom I'm quite friendly with, they would never do this. To me, the heart of it has nothing to do with $1. I was just taken back by how presumptuous this dealer was. I didn't see him do this to anyone else but maybe they tipped with $1 chips.

Would you guys perceive this action like I did? Just wondering if you would've done what I ended up doing.
This was actually my first time at Parx. The dealer did not thank me on either occasion. In fact, I even caught him staring/giving me a sour look while I wasn't in hands. But perhaps that's besides the point.

So what you guys are saying is that....
--- if I'm playing a NLHE game and I ask a dealer to "chop up a $5 chip for me" after winning a pot, then it's expected/assumed that I get back $5 fully in change
--- if I'm playing a NLHE game and I ask a dealer to "chop up a $2 chip for me" after winning a pot, then it's okay to expect/assume that I only get back $1.

I asked to get a "chip chopped up for ME" which (to me) means getting change for MYSELF. Why yes obviously, I am not a troll who'll win a pot and right there ask for change just to tip a waitress/waiter. My request should be synonymous with "I would like two $1 chips back".

Towards the end of his half hour at the table, another player won a ~$2k pot and asked him to chop up a $5 chip. The dealer said "A chop?!?" sarcastically and he threw the change with an attitude. I confirmed all this with the player this happened to.
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07-12-2015 , 08:41 PM
If you want it all back, don't use the word 'chop'. That's what people are saying.
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07-12-2015 , 08:43 PM
If you don't intend to have the chip chopped between you and someone else, use the correct verb "break".
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07-12-2015 , 08:45 PM
$2 -> 'Two blues, please'
$5 -> 'Five blues, please'

[replace 'blues' with the color of the club's $1 chip. I know that many/most places use 'whites' for $1s, but in my local club, 'whites' are $100]
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07-12-2015 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
Why did you need a $2 broken up at that time if not to tip the dealer?
I suppose there is a 0.1% chance that he saw the waitress coming with the drink he ordered and wants to tip her.
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07-12-2015 , 09:22 PM
If I want change, I usually say "break this for me". Chop usually implies a split, like when two players chop a pot, or two chop the blinds, it means two people are getting chips back.
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07-12-2015 , 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
I thought you meant "Chop this with me." as in one for you, one for me.
"Change please." is what is usually said if I'm not to keep one.

But you have me rethinking things.
I said 'the smart ones don't' just bec of the exact scenario presented here where a player feels slighted and who knows how he's going to treat that dealer in the future. A reg shouldn't get upset but a rec is different. And I shouldn't even say that bec in many cases the regs are very nasty and will use anything they can to get a dig in at the dealer.
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07-12-2015 , 11:28 PM
Just curious, why were there $2 chips in the pot anyway? They play with that denomination chips in a 2/5 game?
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07-13-2015 , 12:07 AM
at parx, yes. and it's dumb
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07-13-2015 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
Just curious, why were there $2 chips in the pot anyway? They play with that denomination chips in a 2/5 game?
Played at a few places that do this. It's an angle by the poker room to get dealers/waitresses bigger tips; and it seems to work well.
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07-13-2015 , 01:19 AM
Ehh……..for anybody that this is a problem for keeping a stack of $1's will fix it.
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07-13-2015 , 01:27 AM
$500 high hand. What do you tip?
$500 drawing from tickets earned by playing during the week. Who and what do you tip?
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07-13-2015 , 01:33 AM
As a dealer when a player asks for change by saying chop it up it is 100% of the time a tip (either for me or for a server, chip runner), or someone being a complete ******* (maybe for reasons). The dealer 100% should have given you all your change and since they didn't they should 100% at least say thanks, or acknowledge it in some way.

You = 100% right, dealer 100% wrong. You should 100% understand why this happened though.

In conclusion: I like typing 100%.
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07-13-2015 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by punkass
$500 high hand. What do you tip?
$500 drawing from tickets earned by playing during the week. Who and what do you tip?
$500 high hand: Depends how much I liked that dealer; I know if it was just a $500 pot that I won, I'd likely just toss the dealer $1, but for some odd reason it would somehow seem different(and more "special"?) if I ever won $ from a promo, that I'd probably tip anywhere from ~ $5-$20. $5 if I think you're a "meh" dealer and $20 if I really liked you/service.

But, that said, there's SO much money that is constantly being sucked out of these games for these promos that I also wouldn't give my disapproval stamp on anyone who chose to tip a considerable amount less.

I don't know what you're referring to in the second scenario. Is there someone picking your ticket out of a hat(like a raffle)? Are they walking over to you with the money? If yes, then maybe I'd tip the same as I would if it were high hand; I don't see that much difference really as both scenarios seem to have provided an equal amount of effort/service.
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07-13-2015 , 05:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jl654
This was actually my first time at Parx. The dealer did not thank me on either occasion. In fact, I even caught him staring/giving me a sour look while I wasn't in hands. But perhaps that's besides the point.

So what you guys are saying is that....
--- if I'm playing a NLHE game and I ask a dealer to "chop up a $5 chip for me" after winning a pot, then it's expected/assumed that I get back $5 fully in change
--- if I'm playing a NLHE game and I ask a dealer to "chop up a $2 chip for me" after winning a pot, then it's okay to expect/assume that I only get back $1.

I asked to get a "chip chopped up for ME" which (to me) means getting change for MYSELF. Why yes obviously, I am not a troll who'll win a pot and right there ask for change just to tip a waitress/waiter. My request should be synonymous with "I would like two $1 chips back".

Towards the end of his half hour at the table, another player won a ~$2k pot and asked him to chop up a $5 chip. The dealer said "A chop?!?" sarcastically and he threw the change with an attitude. I confirmed all this with the player this happened to.
I do this. I didn't at first... but then realized that giving people all the change results in not getting tipped way more often than someone getting upset about you assuming the tip. I do always leave the $1 on the table during the next deal and make sure to acknowledge with a thank you or a nod before dropping it.
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