This is a really good point, it's sometimes very hard to deal with negativity from 80% of players and find the right attitude to be nice to the minority. As long as a dealer is competent at running the game maybe they deserve a little slack. At least don't start stiffing someone just because they had a bad day or even just a bad moment in your presence.

Well, tbh, that wasn't what I meant. ^

Although, I agree that if I can see that a dealer is just having a bad day(ie she's usually a nice, pleasant person) then of course I'm not going to stiff her or give her a hard time. I concur with you on that wholeheartedly.

In my earlier post and the one where you quoted me from, I was referring to the dealers who are always nasty or the ones that just have bad attitudes in general. And to those dealers, I would never give them the time of day(or instruct them on how to be "better" at what they do). Meaning, I wouldn't go out of my way to make their job easier and nor would I tip them. Luckily for me though, I play regularly and I can tell the difference between a "bad day" and a "bad ten years". lol

Yeah I didn't mean to be really specific to your example. I was just more generally making a statement to the entire thread. I think some people are really quick to take that first impression, or that lasting impression, and then punish someone for it for weeks months years by not tipping. Everyone reserves the right to make these judgments, but I just thought it was interesting to point out the negativity in the poker world and how that correlates to tipping based on attitude/personality of the dealer.

I tip $1 for every hand I win, even if it's just the blinds, unless it's a chop, then I tip occasionally. I lose all my money I play in cash 80% of the time anyway, so wtf.

If I win a big pot I tip more, up to $5 depending on my mood. I rarely have more than $200 in front of me. I suck at poker.

Tipping is a drain. Although it's hard
Not to when the dealer is a cool guy or girl.

I'll usually tip a dollar, 5 dollars if I felt someone.

Once I stacked some drunk idiot at Wynn for a $2,000 pot and whilst the dealing was counting the chips trying to figure out if I covered the drunk the drunk shouted "it's not hard you uneducated ****". I tipped the dealer $35 at that point and said "he doesn't mean, here, this is from him really".

In England I rarely tip as the tip isn't kept by your dealer but just gets pooled.

Just a heads up, the $1 delivery fee IS NOT A BUILT IN TIP.
The fee is being charged by Phillips and Mortys. I complained to F&B after being charged $2 for my food. I had ordered from each, and the same runner brought it together, but each place charged a dollar.

So yeah, it sucks. But don't stiff the waitress as it's not her fault.

We should take any further comments to the tipping containment thread, but a delivery charge is the same thing as a tip because the customer is being charged for the same service.

Lol

No, it isn't.

The person lugging the food to you gets no piece of any "delivery charge".

By that logic, rake and tips for the dealer are also the same thing.

And guacamole made with peas is the same as that made with avocados.

HEY HEY, there's no call for this thread to get ugly!

Most pizza chains now add a delivery fee onto the cost. On their websites it specifically points out that they are not tips that go to the driver. Not sure about this casino, but I doubt its really a tip. I would think they would have to label it as gratuity if it were.

For sake of discussion, assume the restaurant profits $5 off every order. Now they profit $6. Will some people not patron them because of that? Evidently yes. But if less than 16% of patrons stop going, it was a profitable move by them. That's what businesses do, make money, and good businesses maximize that.

LOL

That's not my concern. I'm being charged for the service with the delivery fee; if I were to tip, I'd be double-charged.

That would be true if they were going toward the same service, but they're not.

I would not watch your cooking show.

My comment had nothing to do with the tipping aspect of it. Damn mods drunk with power!

Does this mean we can stop tipping them?

We charge a delivery fee for delivering tempbans, so no need to tip on those.

What different services are rake and dealer tips going to, and how is it a different situation than a delivery fee and a tip to the delivery guy?

Think dine-in restaurant: overhead, food costs, salaries of chefs, cooks, etc. The server gets a lower salary which is offset by tips from customers.

Casino: overhead, chips, cards, felt, salaries of floormen, brush, cashiers. The dealer gets a lower salary which is offset by tips from players.

What is a restaurant that charges a delivery charge actually charging you for, if not the salary of the delivery person? The packaging for the food to be delivered that they'd give you for free as a doggy bag if you don't finish your food if you dine in?

Some places pay delivery drivers the minimum wage for tipped employees, so they get a lower salary which is offset by tips from customers. The delivery charge is not part of the tips that offset that lower salary.

Rapini, I realize that tipping is not a black and white thing, but you're just flat out wrong in this scenario. Just go get it yourself.


It's not about bagging it up. It's not about prepping the food. It's about paying a driver to spend 15 minutes bringing you the food so that you don't have to put on pants.

In reality I don't order from places that charge a delivery fee, so I already take your suggestion in a way.

If the restaurant is charging you for the delivery, they should be paying the driver for his time. Otherwise, what are they charging for?

they ARE paying the driver for his time, and for a delivery driver, the cost of the gas and wear and tear on his car that he provides with his own insurance is paid by the driver. The wages that delivery drivers make are low, but "fair" when you account for tipping.

Otherwise they'd have to pay the drivers more and that would be directly transferred to you, the customer. It's the same as dealing, sorta. I'm not saying it SHOULD be a tipping position...maybe it should go away like how people are always talking about removing tipping from dealing, or waiting tables. But it IS a tipping job (according to society, not just because I say or think it should be), and that part is not really arguable. It's cool if you want to fight the system by not tipping, but just know what side of the coin you're actually on.

Then you shouldn't have equivocated it with tipping.