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Old 05-18-2015, 04:57 PM   #5676
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

It was for the purpose of tips. It was a 5/10 game so only rake is for bbj which i think the pot needs to hit a certain amount.

Didn't really tilt me but it did amuse me and I didn't tip. I'll say something next time since white chips are useless in that game except for tipping.
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Old 05-18-2015, 09:57 PM   #5677
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do you tip floor people usually? seems like there is a conflict of interest to tip them since they are supposed to arbitrate rulings. and for those who tip them, what is your standard and do you think it is worth it a lot to do so or just a nice gesture.
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Old 05-18-2015, 10:40 PM   #5678
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do you tip floor people usually? seems like there is a conflict of interest to tip them since they are supposed to arbitrate rulings. and for those who tip them, what is your standard and do you think it is worth it a lot to do so or just a nice gesture.
Where I play we have brushes who seat people, help with table tranfers, sometimes get chips, etc. they will often get tipped, like when they recommend a certain type table as a transfer. Then we have the supervisors, or floors, who make the rulings and they are not allowed to receive tips.
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:29 PM   #5679
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

How much profit ($/hr) would a breakeven 1/2 NL player make if he didn't tip?
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Old 05-23-2015, 10:46 PM   #5680
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How much profit ($/hr) would a breakeven 1/2 NL player make if he didn't tip?
According to at least one poster in this thread, $0

But if he wins 3 hands an hour and normally tips $1 a pot, that's $3/hr.

Yes, sometimes he will be stacked and the additional $$ will "disappear".

But, sometimes he will double up and so will the "tip savings"
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Old 05-24-2015, 12:42 AM   #5681
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

Raised preflop the other day and won the blinds. Young thug in his flat bill throws a tip to the dealer and announces "If he's too cheap to tip you, I'll tip you when he wins a hand."

Literally never saw the guy before. Didn't really know what to say.
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Old 05-24-2015, 10:39 AM   #5682
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

That's when I would have looked at the kid with my harshest scowl and said, "Just a dollar?!"
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Old 05-24-2015, 11:17 AM   #5683
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That's when I would have looked at the kid with my harshest scowl and said, "Just a dollar?!"
Perfect.
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Old 05-24-2015, 01:42 PM   #5684
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

I'm always somewhat surprised to get a tip on a hand where someone just takes down the blinds. Grateful, but surprised.

I can't even imagine a universe in which someone not tipping after winning like $3 would be rude in any way.
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Old 06-08-2015, 05:51 PM   #5685
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Tipping the dealer

It may sound trivial, but when exactly should a player tip the dealer. Only when a big pot is won? I see players often tip the dealer every hand they win and it just seems foolish. Thoughts?
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Old 06-08-2015, 06:44 PM   #5686
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Wow lol had some guy try and get into a tip war with me because I won the hand. I tipped the dealer 5 bucks and the guy throws the dealer 10 and says "want to keep going". Not sure what he was trying to accomplish, but if tipping away all his money was the goal he's got the right mentality!
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Old 06-09-2015, 03:34 AM   #5687
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It may sound trivial, but when exactly should a player tip the dealer. Only when a big pot is won? I see players often tip the dealer every hand they win and it just seems foolish. Thoughts?
It seems like most people who tip regularly will tip on any win that is larger than about 3/4BBs. Doesn't matter if it's low limit 3/6 or 10/25nl. Usually starting at $1 and going up depending on pot size, how much they like the dealer, and/or if they sucked out to win. I'd say this is a pretty sensible starting point for normal players who decide that tipping is good for the game. As a dealer myself and long time tip receiver (bartender for years before dealing) I tend to over tip in almost any situation where a tip is involved, but it's like a professional courtesy thing with me.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:04 AM   #5688
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It may sound trivial, but when exactly should a player tip the dealer. Only when a big pot is won? I see players often tip the dealer every hand they win and it just seems foolish. Thoughts?
If i raise preflop, get 1 caller, and then take down the pot with a cbet, i dont tip. Anything past that I tip $1. If i win over $300 in a hand i tip $2. Over $500 i tip $3. Over $1000 profit in a pot I will tip $5.

Seems reasonable and dealers universally like me. No player plays any faster or creates less fuss than I do.
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Old 06-09-2015, 06:17 AM   #5689
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No player plays any faster or creates less fuss than I do.
I'm like that too usually. If you're playing faster than me, you're playing out of turn.
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Old 06-18-2015, 04:49 PM   #5690
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

Why do dealers shoot themselves in the foot and encourage players not to tip them by arguing and talking back nastily to the players, especially when the dealers are completely wrong? I used to try to keep correcting them and get them to stop doing things they shouldn't and vice versa, and tipping them while I was educating them to show that it was nothing personal. After seeing that most of them refuse to learn and moreover become resentful and snide, I now instruct them only one time, and if they refuse to do as told I don't waste my breath on them anymore - I simply add them to my mental stiffed-for-life list. Although I must admit, that list is becoming harder and harder to remember...
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Old 06-18-2015, 06:07 PM   #5691
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Why do dealers shoot themselves in the foot and encourage players not to tip them by arguing and talking back nastily to the players, especially when the dealers are completely wrong? I used to try to keep correcting them and get them to stop doing things they shouldn't and vice versa, and tipping them while I was educating them to show that it was nothing personal. After seeing that most of them refuse to learn and moreover become resentful and snide, I now instruct them only one time, and if they refuse to do as told I don't waste my breath on them anymore - I simply add them to my mental stiffed-for-life list. Although I must admit, that list is becoming harder and harder to remember...
Well, when they do it when they're completely wrong, then that's either just a stubborn person who needs to have the last word, or, it's just a stupid person, or, it's a person who doesn't really care if you tip them or not because the next player, and the player after him, will. And that player after him, as well. Who are you? In other words.



If a dealer is nasty to me for no reason, I'm never going to try and instruct them on anything. A lot of the times they become a product of their environment, but still no excuse.
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Old 06-19-2015, 02:30 PM   #5692
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

If You won an event for say 300k, what would you tip realistically?

What about the main event? You win 8 million and assume 45% loss to taxes what are you all tipping?

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Old 06-19-2015, 02:44 PM   #5693
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If You won an event for say 300k, what would you tip realistically?

What about the main event? You win 8 million and assume 45% loss to taxes what are you all tipping?
$1 and $2, respectively.
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Old 06-19-2015, 07:42 PM   #5694
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If You won an event for say 300k, what would you tip realistically?

What about the main event? You win 8 million and assume 45% loss to taxes what are you all tipping?
Zero. I've already been robbed when I paid the entry fee. Plus, whatever I would tip after the tournament wouldn't be appreciated anyway, so yeah, zero.
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Old 06-19-2015, 08:03 PM   #5695
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

Zero.
ME takes out 1.8% for staff tips.
Last year this meant they took out $1,202,940 for the staff
Quite a bit.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:20 PM   #5696
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Zero.
ME takes out 1.8% for staff tips.
Last year this meant they took out $1,202,940 for the staff
Quite a bit.
About how many downs were there? Assuming each down is 30 minutes and everything actually went to the dealers, if there were 60,000 downs that means the dealers that dealt the main event earned $40/hour($1,202,940/30,000) before the first dollar tipped by anyone who even cashed (or they got their sub-minimum wage hourly rate). If there were 600,000 downs, however, that would only be $4/hour (plus their sub-minimum wage hourly rate).

I'd guess the actual number is somewhere in be in the middle, but I wouldn't know where to begin to come up with an educated guess for that number. The largest tournament I've ever played in probably barely had more than 100 runners.
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Old 06-20-2015, 02:48 PM   #5697
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About how many downs were there? Assuming each down is 30 minutes and everything actually went to the dealers, if there were 60,000 downs that means the dealers that dealt the main event earned $40/hour($1,202,940/30,000) before the first dollar tipped by anyone who even cashed (or they got their sub-minimum wage hourly rate). If there were 600,000 downs, however, that would only be $4/hour (plus their sub-minimum wage hourly rate).

I'd guess the actual number is somewhere in be in the middle, but I wouldn't know where to begin to come up with an educated guess for that number. The largest tournament I've ever played in probably barely had more than 100 runners.
1. They get Nevada minimum wage. Like California and other West Coast states, Nevada does not give an exemption for tipped employees.

2. Downs? Ask the TD. And you will get the same response that most TD's give. That is, either "I don't know yet" or "I cannot give out that information"

3. The more downs there are, the more any tip gets chopped up. If you tipped $12K in last year's ME, then each tip portion of a down would increase by 1%. So, in your examples, $40/hr -> $40.40/hr and $4/hr -> $4.04/hr

4. This year the Colossus hurt the dealers tip pool. It took roughly twice the dealer/hours that the Million Maker did to complete, but charged the same total staff take out. So the per downs were half for the Colossua. And the dealers were not happy.
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Old 06-20-2015, 04:38 PM   #5698
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1. They get Nevada minimum wage. Like California and other West Coast states, Nevada does not give an exemption for tipped employees.
Did not know that. My bad.
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2. Downs? Ask the TD. And you will get the same response that most TD's give. That is, either "I don't know yet" or "I cannot give out that information"
I understand this. I was hoping somebody might be able to get a good estimate.
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3. The more downs there are, the more any tip gets chopped up. If you tipped $12K in last year's ME, then each tip portion of a down would increase by 1%. So, in your examples, $40/hr -> $40.40/hr and $4/hr -> $4.04/hr
I get this. The main point of my post is that the more downs there are, the more stretched out the original $1.2 million is. The less downs the more meaningful that sum is. If there are few enough downs, the dealers may be getting too much anyway even if not a single winner gave a single tip. As the number of downs gets higher, then an appropriate tip gets asymptotically (is that a word?) closer to the same amount it would be if they didn't take out anything.

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4. This year the Colossus hurt the dealers tip pool. It took roughly twice the dealer/hours that the Million Maker did to complete, but charged the same total staff take out. So the per downs were half for the Colossua. And the dealers were not happy.
This seems like a case can be made for having tips forbidden (in tournaments only, not cash games), and an appropriate amount taken out at the beginning. I'm sure a TD would have a good idea of how many downs/runner a tournament will have given it's structure. They obviously need to make this kind of estimate when figuring out their staffing needs for a tourney.

I obviously, am not holding my breath for this to happen.
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Old 06-20-2015, 05:46 PM   #5699
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Re: Tipping CONTAINMENT thread.

Then people would complain (a lot) about the sudden jump in price of tournaments to make tournament downs even close to the average cash table would be.

I got my start playing tournaments and I never bitch about having to deal them - I rather enjoy them TBH, and I do my best to get out as many hands as possible to allow tournament players to maximize their EV. But I make less on tournament tables than I do dealing cash, and if your entire shift is all tournaments, it would be substantial, particularly in states where dealers don't even make minimum wage (not an issue at the WSOP apparently, but it would be in my state).

Given complaints about how many new/inexperienced dealers they have to bring in for major tournament series like the WSOP I'm not sure what the answer is. If you want quality professional dealers you have to pay for them. The current system is to take some of that pay out from the buy-in and cross your fingers and hope the players who cash, particularly at the top, make up the difference.

It's a weird culture (working in a tipping industry) to be sure.
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Old 06-25-2015, 11:05 PM   #5700
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my guide to tipping like a boss

Usually I tip $1 on pots where there is a flop bet/call and I end up winning somewhere along the line. large pots I'll throw an extra couple of bones out there sometimes.

Bonus tip spots + bribes:

Sometimes before the cards are dealt i throw the dealer $1. I make sure to tell them this is not a tip, its a bribe.

If there's someone at the table who is a real douchebag and they lose a large pot or get felted, I tip the dealer. Usually its better if they are still there so they can notice.

Sometimes if the dealer tells a cool story, they get a cool story bro and a $1 tip.

If I need a drink and let the dealer know and they yell for cocktails really loud I tip $1.

Sometimes when I'm spacing out or on my phone or otherwise not paying attention and the dealer lets me know, I tip $1.

At the start of a new game if I win the button I tip $1.

If they're really fast at dealing the game sometimes I tip $1 even if i don't win a pot while they are there.

If someone wants me to show my hand and I don't have to, sometimes I tell them to tip the dealer $1-$5 for me to show depending on how much I don't want to to show.

Remember to be creative and always look for spots to tip your dealers. The other day I was playing 1/2 plo @ ballys and asked how the subs were at the place next to the poker room. He said they were really good. I used my die roll app with my friend at the table to see who had to go buy us some subs, I was going to tip him a sub when I won a pot, but was completely card dead. Luckily my friend won a big one and I told him I'd give him $5 if he tipped the dealer with a meatball sub, the dealer's choice.
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