there's a handicapped dealer and a elderly waitress that can't or dont achieve services of an average healthy employee. What reason would you tip them and would it vary?

I'm not following. What do you mean by 'can't achieve services'?

He's saying that they can't perform to the expectation of a non-disabled worker.

Ones crippled ones collecting social security, average healthy employees run circles around em.

Ok, well, to answer your question as to 'what reason would I have to tip them and would that vary?' My answer is, I would tip them based on what they can do and not deduct from their tip because they don't live up to what a non-disabled person can do. Conversely, if they had a poor attitude or something that had nothing to do with their disability?...then I would treat that situation the exact same way as I would the server who did not have a disability, and, that's a reduction in the % of what I usually leave as my tip.

Bottom line: No special treatment, none taken away. My God, why would I ever frown upon someone(whether in the monetary sense or otherwise) who is out there trying to earn a living and fit in with society? That is the lowest of low in my book.

Sometimes the disability has to do with their poor attitude, unless that disability is a huge stomach. It's tough, though.

I only brought up attitude because that would be my only reason to possibly lessen my tip, but OP was not talking about attitude, he was referring to the physical disability.

There was a dealer who used to work at the Taj who was somewhat disabled in his arms/hands; yes, he took a little bit longer to deal, but would I refrain from tipping him due to that? I would not. As a natural reaction, I might even tip more simply because I'd be so grateful that that wasn't me. I dunno.

Nah, I understood what you're saying and agree, but there's just some situations where I can overlook grumpy, as well.

Thanks for the advice. I should have called the floor over. I guess if I don't look out for myself no one will.

That's cool. I tend to overlook grumpy if someone is old. I guess it all comes down to: nobody's perfect.

No problem. I was surprised that you didn't even attempt to get your $70. If you were outside and dropped $70 out of your wallet and a huge windstorm swooped it away, wouldn't you be bummed about that? I would!

No one is looking out for you in the poker room. Nope. No one.

I think I was a little shocked at the dealer at the moment and just was not sure what I should have done. I kind of froze up afterwards. I will make sure this does not happen again.

You have companies such as Uber saying there is no need to tip. Do you think this will spread to the poker room? People 45+ will continue to tip IMO. I think the millenials may not pickup the tipping culture.

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Millennials were born into the tipping culture. If we were to experience a paradigm shift as you think we will, it would be in the direction of not tipping.

For an idea of what that means for Uber drivers, check out this excellent report by Emily Guendelsberger of the Philadelphia City Paper. Breaking out of the culture is not as easy as flipping a switch.

Should this tilt me? Sure it's been covered but going to ask.

Losing my shirt (this part doesn't matter really) and it folds to me on the button, I raise and both blinds fold. There are three red chips in the blinds, dealer takes one of them and chops it to 5 whites and passes me the pot.

Should I tilt? Berate dealer? Seemed very greedy/presumptuous to me

I know that bothers some people as they think the dealer is being presumptuous by doing that. They take is as an indication he is expecting a tip. And maybe he is. But most dealers I see know they rarely get tipped on a hand like that.

So I prefer to look at it this way. The dealer doesnt know if you are going to tip or not. But if you are, he is speeding up the game by already breaking the chip rather than you having to return one to him and ask him to break it. The fact is he returned to you exactly the amount of money you should get. If he does it in a way that facilitates you tipping him, I cant hold that against him. He makes his living on tips. What if you wanted to tip him, but were too shy to ask him to break the 5 chip so you dont tip him at all?

I dont think you should be upset at all with this, IMO

I would just laugh to myself.

Not worth saying anything to the dealer.

Maybe I'm missing something. Why would you be laughing to yourself? And since the dealer isn't here to hear you, what would YOU say to him???

The 2/5 game I play in uses $1,2,and5 chips mostly. There's a couple of dealers who throughout the hand will pull out two $1 chips and color them up to $2 chip and put those in the pot. They do that in hopes that the player will just tip them the $2 rather than ask for a chop.

So I'll chuckle to myself at the obvious attempt at upping his tips, but not say anything to dealer as he isnt shorting anyone.

I have no idea if that is what AT is referring to, though.

He's saying that he wouldn't say anything. He understands that there are things in this world not worth getting upset over.

Dealers worth their weight know that they're usually not getting a tip from a player stealing the blinds. If a dealer is going to get uppity about it in any way (from just thinking it to making mean faces), that's a problem they have, not your's.

The dealer should NEVER put his paws on the pot and make change/color up unless he absolutely has to. Don't chuckle to yourself, browser, speak up and tell them to please stop.

Well, I play in games that take a Time charge opposed to a rake, so, if a dealer did this more than once and they also did it to me, I'm sure I'd be quite direct that they don't need to be breaking chips down unless advised to. I wouldn't be a dick about it but I would definitely tell them.

If I were paying rake, I probably wouldn't say anything----it certainly wouldn't tilt me! But, if it did tilt you? Then you definitely need to speak up(nicely) and just tell them that you didn't ask for change and you don't need change.

I guess it's so common here with dealers playing with the chips that I never thought about it. I'll be on the lookout to crackdown on it.

Thanks.

I also play at Borgata and that is where it occurred.

Are you saying that the dealer broke down a red bird and it wasn't for the BBJ drop or the rake? If it wasn't for either of those two things, and it bothered you, then simply tell him that you don't need change, but, if you'd rather not say anything, then just chalk it up to a dealer who's trying to hustle to make an extra buck(even if it's not warranted from your standpoint).

Don't let it tilt you, it's not worth it. Just remember, that people are going to do stupid, rude, jackass things all the time(not just at a poker table but in life)----you can't control everyone's "stuff" but you can control what you do and how you feel and how you react to it.