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11-24-2014 , 07:32 PM
This was my second high hand like this for $500 (the last one was $650, but it was 4 yrs ago, and I forgot what I tipped).

Anyway, I tipped her $20. I did have to wait an hour for the money, but she was working another table nearby. Thanks for the opinions. I can't see tipping more than 5% myself. Next time I will probably tip 3% ($15 in this case).

Funny thing was that during the hour waiting for my bonus to hold, a different dealer at my table 2 times dealt 3 aces on the board. Neither time a person had a 4th ace for quads. I actually tipped him $5 for not dealing a high hand.
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11-25-2014 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo
I was just playing this past weekend at Parx at 1-2. I was running very good and winning alot and ran 200 into 800 in about 3 hours. I was tipping the dealer from time to time $1 here and there, prob every 3rd hand I won.

Then, a guy at the table goes to me, "yo bro can i talk to you for a minute?" I said sure and walked away. He was in his late 40s, had a stack of 50 infront of him and was sitting there, playing no hands, wearing sunglasses etc. Anyways, he goes, "I dont want to start any problems, but these dealers rely on their tips...they only make $3 an hour...and youre raking in pots left and right and I see you're only throwing $1 here and there..." I just said OK bc I also didnt want any problems to occur and walked back to my seat.

I understand dealer rely on their tips, but I dont think that guy was in the right to tell me how to tip and how not to tip. When you tip for every single hand you win that eventually hurts your bottom line and how much you make per hour, and I remember when doing coaching with BillANL he said the exact same thing.

How would you guys handle that situation? Thats the first time someone has ever said something to me and I have never witnessed someone else getting addressed in all of my 6 years playing live.
I'm not a fan of being lectured about how to spend my money, but as someone else noted, at least he did it away from the table.

What I really have a problem with is people tip-shaming someone at the table in front of everyone. Most people (except complete jackasses, and possibly not even them) don't deserve to be embarrassed like that.

In some cases, the person is new to casino poker and perhaps is not familiar with the details of customary tipping. Otherwise, the person may have other reasons.

In any case, I can appreciate someone sticking up for the dealers, but don't make a spectacle out of it.

Ultimately, tips are a luxury, not a birth right. If you don't like it, get a different job that doesn't rely on the generosity of strangers.
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11-25-2014 , 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by luvthisgame
Your playing 1/2and worried about your bottom line really? Are you really that anal. Are you even good enough to beat the rake long term? I suppose you keep detailed records of all your sessions including how much you pay for food and tip the waitress as well huh. These wannabe pros at the 1/2 game need to cut this crap out

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Yeah, because only players who have the bankroll to play 2-5 and higher should practice bankroll management and keep detailed records.

WTF?
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11-25-2014 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hollywade
Yeah, because only players who have the bankroll to play 2-5 and higher should practice bankroll management and keep detailed records.

WTF?
No kidding. Comments like that and stuff like "any good poker player wouldn't be playing 1/2" always tilt me. Ever think maybe some of these players use their winnings on things other than padding their bankroll to move up?
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11-25-2014 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
No kidding. Comments like that and stuff like "any good poker player wouldn't be playing 1/2" always tilt me. Ever think maybe some of these players use their winnings on things other than padding their bankroll to move up?
I agree 100% about those comments. I just posted something in llsnl when someone said something like "this is just llsnl we don't need to worry about balancing our game [everyone's a fish]" when nothing could be further from the truth
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11-26-2014 , 11:01 AM
Last night I scooped a pot of roughly $2400 in a deep stacked, aggressive $1/$3 game. After I tossed two dollars to the dealer, he starts making "oh, really big pot" comments. Three hands later, he's still making comments.

I tip a dollar every time chips are pushed to me, even if I just win the blinds. I don't feel badly when I don't tip much more for a big pot. The dealer's job is the same in both cases.

After his down, I get the attention of a supervisor and the three of us have a chat about appropriate behavior. I know I didn't make any friends, but I felt like this sort of thing needed to stop.

Was I out of line?

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11-26-2014 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by TiggerToo
Last night I scooped a pot of roughly $2400 in a deep stacked, aggressive $1/$3 game. After I tossed two dollars to the dealer, he starts making "oh, really big pot" comments. Three hands later, he's still making comments.

I tip a dollar every time chips are pushed to me, even if I just win the blinds. I don't feel badly when I don't tip much more for a big pot. The dealer's job is the same in both cases.

After his down, I get the attention of a supervisor and the three of us have a chat about appropriate behavior. I know I didn't make any friends, but I felt like this sort of thing needed to stop.

Was I out of line?

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Why do/would you think you were out of line? I think that answering that question will get you better responses.
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11-26-2014 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by TiggerToo
Last night I scooped a pot of roughly $2400 in a deep stacked, aggressive $1/$3 game. After I tossed two dollars to the dealer, he starts making "oh, really big pot" comments. Three hands later, he's still making comments.
1) I'd love to hear a little more about that hand.

2) Tipping $2 on $2,400 is pretty LOL, but I'm not the guy who's going to tell you to tip more.

3) If the dealer is needling you about tipping more, that's bush league. He should STFU, and if it bothers you, I have no problem with getting a supervisor involved.
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11-26-2014 , 02:53 PM
Why would you consider that LOL? What does the amount of the pot have to do with it? I suppose you think 5/10 players should tip more than 1/2 players for the same dealer actions just because the pot was 5x bigger?
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11-26-2014 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
Why would you consider that LOL? What does the amount of the pot have to do with it? I suppose you think 5/10 players should tip more than 1/2 players for the same dealer actions just because the pot was 5x bigger?
That kind of analogy can go both ways. Do you tip a waitress more if your bill is $100 as opposed to $20? Why? What does the amount of the bill have to do with it? After all, she's performing the same waitress functions even if one bill was 5X bigger.
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11-26-2014 , 03:43 PM
No, it really doesn't go both ways. A simple $500 5/10 pot takes no longer than a $100 1/2 pot, whereas in most cases a $100 restaurant bill would have higher service expectations, the servers would have less tables, and you would probably be at the table longer.
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11-26-2014 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
No, it really doesn't go both ways. A simple $500 5/10 pot takes no longer than a $100 1/2 pot, whereas in most cases a $100 restaurant bill would have higher service expectations, the servers would have less tables, and you would probably be at the table longer.
While I agree with your general premise, your logic doesn't stand up to reality. High-stakes players expect the world of dealers and compensate them for their efforts with generally the poorest tips on average in the room.
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11-26-2014 , 07:19 PM
The restaurant/poker table analogy is ridiculous.
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11-26-2014 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TiggerToo
After I tossed two dollars to the dealer, he starts making "oh, really big pot" comments. Three hands later, he's still making comments.
You should thank him for saving you money. And never tip him again.
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11-26-2014 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
A simple $500 5/10 pot takes no longer than a $100 1/2 pot
Sorry, but that's not even remotely true.

q/q
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11-26-2014 , 08:08 PM
I've played both. If anything, the 5/10 pot would be quicker.
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11-26-2014 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by sonnyalbo
The restaurant/poker table analogy is ridiculous.
+1
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11-27-2014 , 06:03 PM
[QUOTE=Hollywade;45349835]1) I'd love to hear a little more about that hand.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...php?p=45347233

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11-28-2014 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
Why would you consider that LOL? What does the amount of the pot have to do with it? I suppose you think 5/10 players should tip more than 1/2 players for the same dealer actions just because the pot was 5x bigger?
Bigger pots take longer, require more effort pulling in chips, and present a greater potential risk should dealer error occur. $2 on a $2400 pot in a 1/3 game, which would be EIGHT full buy-ins, would be considered pretty low by just about everyone.
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11-29-2014 , 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Bigger pots take longer, require more effort pulling in chips, and present a greater potential risk should dealer error occur. $2 on a $2400 pot in a 1/3 game, which would be EIGHT full buy-ins, would be considered pretty low by just about everyone.
What if OP had $800 of his own money on the line?

I don't think he was necessarily being unreasonable.

I do think the dealer was out of line, though, and maybe OP knew what kind of dealer he was before he tipped him the $2. I know plenty of ****ty dealers who would be lucky to get a $2 tip from me regardless of the pot size because there's just too many other times when they suck and cost you too much money, time, and aggravation. So, without knowing the entire story, I think its just too hard to judge(not that we should judge what anyone else tips anyway).
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11-29-2014 , 05:49 AM
Yet ... what I love is this. These same players who tip $2 on a $2400 pot will go out of their way to track down a cocktail waitress and tip her $5 (or more) just because she might be attractive for a FREE bottle of water or soda! I've even seen unattractive ones get red birds! Yet, quick, efficient dealers get $1-2 on pots in the few thousand $ range!

And what's better than the guy at the limit table or the 1/2 table who stiffs dealers 100% of the time and who you would think would do the same to the cocktail server, yet she gets a dollar or two every time, even when alcohol isn't even free and even when the guy only has like $11 left in front of him!

I just don't understand the mindset of some people!
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11-29-2014 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
What if OP had $800 of his own money on the line?

I don't think he was necessarily being unreasonable.

I do think the dealer was out of line, though, and maybe OP knew what kind of dealer he was before he tipped him the $2. I know plenty of ****ty dealers who would be lucky to get a $2 tip from me regardless of the pot size because there's just too many other times when they suck and cost you too much money, time, and aggravation. So, without knowing the entire story, I think its just too hard to judge(not that we should judge what anyone else tips anyway).
This gets said constantly, and is really silly every single time. If we're never going to share opinions on what other people tip, there's no reason to have this thread.

Also, I doubt dealers cost you money with any frequency. How many massive dealer errors, in your opponents favor, could you be the victim of? i've played for 15 years and can remember like, 3.
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11-29-2014 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
I know plenty of ****ty dealers who would be lucky to get a $2 tip from me regardless of the pot size because there's just too many other times when they suck and cost you too much money, time, and aggravation.
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Also, I doubt dealers cost you money with any frequency. How many massive dealer errors, in your opponents favor, could you be the victim of? i've played for 15 years and can remember like, 3.
I agree with your point on the "massive" errors, but the multitude of minor errors is the reason ****ty dealers get smaller tips from me. It's such an enormous relief to have a good dealer sit down and know that for the next 40 minutes, I can relax a little, knowing he won't drop an extra dollar of rake, will ensure that all bets are the correct amount before bringing them in, won't **** up side pots, will enforce the rules regarding folding out of turn or exposing cards so I don't have to be the bad guy, etc. For me, dealers who don't care enough about their job to do it well get minimal tips, and the money I save on them goes to the ones who do make the effort.
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11-30-2014 , 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TiggerToo
Last night I scooped a pot of roughly $2400 in a deep stacked, aggressive $1/$3 game. After I tossed two dollars to the dealer, he starts making "oh, really big pot" comments. Three hands later, he's still making comments.

I tip a dollar every time chips are pushed to me, even if I just win the blinds. I don't feel badly when I don't tip much more for a big pot. The dealer's job is the same in both cases.

After his down, I get the attention of a supervisor and the three of us have a chat about appropriate behavior. I know I didn't make any friends, but I felt like this sort of thing needed to stop.

Was I out of line?

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I'm not sure if I'd bother getting a supervisor. It's perfectly fine if you want to be mature. I would probably just take a passive-aggressive approach and not tip him the next handful of pots I win while he deals though.

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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
Bigger pots take longer, require more effort pulling in chips, and present a greater potential risk should dealer error occur. $2 on a $2400 pot in a 1/3 game, which would be EIGHT full buy-ins, would be considered pretty low by just about everyone.
The guy said he tips when he takes down the blinds. It balances out. I personally think $1 per pot won regardless of size is a perfectly acceptable tipping policy. It balances out where he "overtips" on small/easy pots and "undertips" on large/complicated pots. I personally would usually tip a little larger on a $2400 pot than $2, but whatever. $2 is perfectly fine IMO. I also think $1 on a $2400 is acceptable.
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12-09-2014 , 01:31 PM
Tipping the dealer is voluntary. How much you tip is voluntary. At least at most places anyway. What someone else tips is none of my business. What I tip is none of your business. I generally tip a bit larger than normal on a big pot because I want to, just seems right. Maybe if the table/room was the same crew session after session there would be some social pressure affecting tipping more than a casino table full of strangers.
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