Self dealing the WSOP? Right...

I certainly detest anyone, players or dealers, giving me **** about how I tip. And as I've mentioned before, will be inclined to tip less when that happens. But the same applies to "players should support other players for tipping as little as possible": "Why do you care what other players tip?" I think that's good for the dealer to get some big tips. They just won't be coming from me. Same time I think it's too bad for dealers making little in tips, but I won't be making up the difference.

I think you're pretty much spot on here. As far as fast or slow dealers go, the speed of the players basically dictate the pace of the game more so than the dealers' speed will have an impact anyway. Excluding the extremely awful dealers, the difference in dealer quality is practically negligible. You'll get the defenses of 'you get what you pay for' and such, but that's really just almighty dealers in denial. It just wouldn't be good for them to have players educated about the fact that excessive tipping isn't necessary.

Dealers are going to make X money. I'd rather it come from fish tipping than rake so they subsidize me. I don't care about money coming off the table. Another fish will take his place soon enough.

So to all the non or low tipping crowd, why not play online? No tipping,no misdeals,no exposed cards,no mistakes. If tipping is that bad for your bottom line there are still sites to play on. Please please by all means play online and make more money...

That's great that you have online poker where you live, but here in the US, the major online poker sites have been shut down by national law enforcement authorities and getting money online and offline is a chore from what I've read. That means the games have become way less profitable than they were in years past because only more serious players are willing to go through the arduous process of putting money online.

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There should be common ground between the two sides with the form above.

Dealers should not be tipped for services expected = polite, professional, competent but rather when going above and beyond.

Likewise, dealers that fall short in their duties or attitude should have any tips due at the end of their down reduced.

This eliminates the tip per pot system and inputs a system of total tips due at the end of a dealers down.

Thanks for the laughs. I can't wait to see every player pull out his/her "tip accountability log" to make sure he/she hasn't tipped the current dealer more than $5 that day.

Easy. Just do it on your iphone/smartphone with a spreadsheet using the template. Of course, the player can change his/her tipping limits as desired based on which stake they play/want to tip/etc...

It's not hard to browse this forum and see horror stories told from both sides of the table, of players having problems due to bad dealers, and Caesar's running all the good dealers away from WSOP due to poor pay and treatment.

So yeah the threat that 'If you don't tip, things will get WORSE' doesn't always hold water.

What do you think about tipping based on the length of the hand? Standard is 30 hands/hr so if a hand goes over 4 minutes make it $2, $3 for 6 mins etc.

no. worst idea ever. here's why. Any time a hand goes to 4 minutes plus and assuming the people in the hand aren't complete fossils / dbag slowrollers 99% of all hands should take under 2 minutes to decide. Hands that take 3+ minutes to decide (in my experience) are many bb pots (200+), and usually the person that wins that is going to tip either fine ($1) or relatively well (I've seen anywhere from $1 to $15. I don't want to feel like a jerk because I tipped the dealer the same amount I would on a winning hand just because I took some time on a 60-150bb decision on the flop/turn/river.

1/2 NL
I raise $10 otb get one caller In the bb. Check to me and I Cbet $15 take it down
Drag in $10,$10 and the sb $1... -$2 for rake and -$1 for jackpot.
Net profit $8

I see regular players who tip $1 this situation 100% of the time. Horrible horrible Horrible.


Now if this happens over and over again or it's short handed on a reduced rake, yes I will throw the dealer $1 after a few instances...


I would like to see if the majority of posters agree with me fully on this one.

Your post implies that others should tip in a particular way, so I doubt you'd get many people to agree with you because tipping is a personal matter that shouldn't be influenced by others' opinions.

I completely disagree with you on this one. I'm giving the dealer a buck 100% of the time in this scenario. Here's 2 more you'll probably love.

1-2 NL Table, I'm sitting in the CO, and everyone folds to me. I raise to $10, and everyone folds. The dealer pushes me $3 profit (no flop, no drop) and I toss him a buck in appreciation.

1-2 NL Table, I'm UTG with AKo. I raise to $12 and everyone folds except for the BB. Flop is 997, no flush draw on board. I make a C-bet of $25 and I'm called. K on the turn and I bet $75, villain shoves all-in for $120, and I call. River is another K. Villain shows KQ, and we chop the pot with KKK99. $5 to the rake and $1 to the jackpot, and villain gets the extra $1 for being closer to the button means I lose $3 on this hand. Nevertheless, I toss the dealer a buck.

Well all tipping is a result of others opinions if you think about it. It's actually very far from a personal matter. The only thing that is personal is the decision you make for which social norms and tendencies are the driving factor.

I was merely curious to see if others have a similar take on small pot tipping.

I agree with your second example I'd almost always throw a buck as well to a quality dealer.

If you care about beating the game you can't tip here. If you're looking to have some fun and treat people well then go for it.

Deciding to be influenced (or not) by others opinions when making decisions, is a decision.


When you think about it.

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Well I think we are just getting too philosophical here.

So am I jerk if I never tip unless the pot is big enough to justify tipping (i.e. 1-200bb)?

I don't know man, people who tip freely make other people look like cheapskates/jerks.

This is an incredibly poorly-thought out post. What did you not understand about my post that you quoted? I said nothing about the way YOU tip. I said that you shouldn't be attempting to change the way others tip.

I think the mental image of somebody pulling out their "tip accountability log" at the table is laughable. Though I do think tracking tip habits is quite sensible. I do mine in my head. As I log my session results later at home, I recently added a tip column. Not a bad idea to identify the impact tipping has on your results. As for quotas, I was already planning on a $X max for 2013. Can't really forecast how much I'll be able to play next year, but I intend to pace my tipping along the way and make adjustments as necessary.

The4thFilm sums it up nicely, IMO. Much like the subsidizing post.

Agree with you on all points. We have the same tipping philosophy. If im dragging in pot adter pot SH on a reduced rake ill certainly chip in a toke here or there.

Hey every one, I hit a high hand for $1154, what is the standard tipping with high hands?

How many hands did the dealer miss as a result of you being paid out?