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07-05-2017 , 07:58 PM

redlineftw

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Okay so I was playing £1/£1 with AQ in Ep I raise and button calls.

Flop is A8T
I bet btn calls

Turn Q I bet button calls
River 9 I check. Btn says check and I flip over my hand. Btn then bets all in saying that he said check in a way which was questioning if I was checking or not. Dealer rules the bet stands.. tables agrees villain said check in a enquisative tone!!! like wtf!!

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07-05-2017 , 08:14 PM

Woej10

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There has to be more to this surely? You aren't telling us the body language of the Btn or the look on his face. The dealer must be under the impression he said it inquisitively enough to believe it.

I know in the past I've been surprised by a check and said 'Check?' but it's pretty obvious it was a question not a statement. On text it looks confusing but I'll bet at the table his tone of voice and actions could easily paint a different story.

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07-05-2017 , 08:55 PM

Bene Gesserit

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Some places would rule it a check regardless of tone or body language. Obiviously "some" rooms (floors) go by tone , intent? Live poker is annoying sometimes.

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07-05-2017 , 08:55 PM

dinesh

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Sounds like a bad ruling, since you didn't hear the questioning intent and tabled your hand. Villain has to bear the brunt of the repercussion if he uses action words in another reasonable context (i.e. asking a question).

Having said that, the dealer shouldn't be making rulings. He should call the floor over, and the floor should listen to what happened, then make a ruling. Did this happen? If not, insist that the floor be called over.

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07-05-2017 , 09:03 PM

Didace

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Originally Posted by dinesh

Sounds like a bad ruling.

Unless the OP is the angler.

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07-05-2017 , 09:30 PM

psujohn

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You can always just wait for the dealer to announce the showdown or at least say "Check, check" or "Checks around" or something.

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07-05-2017 , 11:10 PM

madlex

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Originally Posted by dinesh

I agree in general, but have been on the other side of that.

Action is on the other player on the river, he plays with his chips and then raps a stack of chips on the table. Dealer looks at me. Now I should have asked loud and clear "dealer, is the action on me?". Instead I was kinda confused and asked "that's a check?". Before the dealer could respond, the other guy had tabled his hand already and claimed that I checked back. To this date I have no idea if he was trying to angle me or not.

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07-06-2017 , 12:07 AM

BigBlue56

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Originally Posted by dinesh

This and This.

There is a chance that it was a question, but as mentioned, it was a poor question since it involved the word 'check".

There are lots of things possible, he could be a low down dirty angle shooter, or it could be you. Without more info, I'll believe that it was a breakdown in communication.

Absolutely should have gone to a floor ruling, but possible that doesn't change anything.

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07-06-2017 , 01:20 AM

chillrob

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Terrible ruling, even if OP was an angler.

IMO anyone saying "check" should be held to a check. I don't care if he did it with an extended upward questioning intonation, and I don't care if everyone else at the table knew he meant it as a question, and I don't care if it means he's now checking behind with the nuts. Rules are rules, and if you hold him to the rules he won't make that mistake again.

If you're not sure of the action, you say "dealer, what is the action".

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07-06-2017 , 08:35 AM

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Phil9

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Generally, if a player says "Check" even in a questioning tone and a player performs an action reacting to it, it will be held as a "check." This is to prevent obvious angle-shooting There is nothing in poker rules saying it's different if someone states an action in a questioning manner. That also goes for "All-in?" If players want to ask a question, they need to be precise with their wording. Saying "Check?" and saying "Did he check?" makes a significant difference.

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07-06-2017 , 10:44 AM

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redlineftw

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I wasn't attempting to angle I thought my AQ was good and was calling a bet just not after I table my hand after hearing villain say check and shipping it after seeing my hand.

The floor was called but went with what the dealer said. I should have just waited but if I think I'm good I always show first..

Villain had 99..

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07-06-2017 , 01:39 PM

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Suit

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I will rule this a check almost 100% of the time. You need to use a different way of finding out where the action is that doesn't include you saying "check", "call", "all in", "fold", or "raise".

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07-06-2017 , 02:49 PM

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Sensitivenewageguy

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Fold river

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