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12-02-2016 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 12bigworm81
Run your business like a business.
Good advice - never really thought about making sure I check everything going on to make sure no mistakes are being made. Whenever I win an all in I generally just slide my chips over and let the dealer count and don't really pay attention to confirm. I will in the future though!
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12-02-2016 , 02:12 PM
The cameras are mostly to watch employees and not to help resolve player disputes, although I suppose once in a while they could be helpful. Nobody here knows whether you were shorted or not , but I think you now understand that this kind of situation must be resolved very quickly , on the spot, or you are just likely out of luck getting your money back even if you are right about what happened. I would just chalk it up to a mildly costly lesson learned and play on.
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12-02-2016 , 02:59 PM
I love how people are absolutely 100% certain what happened hours after, but at the time had no idea what was happening.
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12-02-2016 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by westwd
If I was reading this post and someone else made it I would doubt them also. But I know what I had because of how my chips were stacked. Like I said I made all bets with $25 chips and then had 6+ stacks of $5 (75 pre, 100 flop, and then shove the 6+ stacks). I know its my fault though and I will pay more attention in the future.
I believe you that you had what you say you had. Problem is, as pointed out, it is too late to fix it now. I agree that the dealer most likely didn't count your original $100 bet. Makes the most sense. This was on you to catch at the time and if needed, they could've checked the cameras to verify and you would've been given the proper amount.

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Originally Posted by Didace
I love how people are absolutely 100% certain what happened hours after, but at the time had no idea what was happening.
Unfortunately, this is very easy to do. In the heat of the moment they are excited to win and forget to watch their money. This is usually something ppl learn only when they get shorted once and don't get their money or they've watched another person get shorted only to be told it's far too late to fix now.
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12-02-2016 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by westwd
When I went all in I just said ''all in'' and didnt move my remaining stack in
Dammit, when I read the OP I immediately predicted this and was scanning to see whether anyone else had caught it.

A whole bunch of players seem enamored with this move, as if they're so convinced the chips are coming back that it's not worth the incredible burden of pushing out three stacks of chips.

And then when something goes awry, be it ambiguous bets or ambiguous calls or payoffs not right or side pots ****ed up, everyone wants to go to the cameras, whose footage will be inconclusive because all it will show is one person flicking their wrist and the other person nodding.

Put the ****ing chips in the ****ing pot. Put them in in stacks of 20. If the dealer doesn't do it for you, verbalize the exact amount two different ways - "750 total, 500 on top." And then when something has to go to the cameras (and others have noted you only have until the next hand starts to request a review), at least there's some visual evidence of what you did, and saying the numbers two different ways helps alleviate any confusion as to how much should go into the pot.
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12-02-2016 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Dammit, when I read the OP I immediately predicted this and was scanning to see whether anyone else had caught it.

A whole bunch of players seem enamored with this move, as if they're so convinced the chips are coming back that it's not worth the incredible burden of pushing out three stacks of chips.

And then when something goes awry, be it ambiguous bets or ambiguous calls or payoffs not right or side pots ****ed up, everyone wants to go to the cameras, whose footage will be inconclusive because all it will show is one person flicking their wrist and the other person nodding.

Put the ****ing chips in the ****ing pot. Put them in in stacks of 20. If the dealer doesn't do it for you, verbalize the exact amount two different ways - "750 total, 500 on top." And then when something has to go to the cameras (and others have noted you only have until the next hand starts to request a review), at least there's some visual evidence of what you did, and saying the numbers two different ways helps alleviate any confusion as to how much should go into the pot.
Don't know if the level of hostility is necessary but yes I get the point now. i haven't been playing live poker very long (I'm 22) so this is the first time an issue like this has come up. It will be the last time.
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12-02-2016 , 04:17 PM
Sorry. The hostility is mostly directed at the people who never realize how unclear their actions are and keep making the same mistakes.
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12-02-2016 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Suit
Unfortunately, this is very easy to do. In the heat of the moment they are excited to win and forget to watch their money. This is usually something ppl learn only when they get shorted once and don't get their money or they've watched another person get shorted only to be told it's far too late to fix now.
Yes. But the part I'm dubious about is that hours later they are 100% sure what happened.
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12-02-2016 , 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Didace
Yes. But the part I'm dubious about is that hours later they are 100% sure what happened.
100% agree with you on your post BTW.
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12-03-2016 , 12:17 AM
dont tip the next 300 pots you win.
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12-03-2016 , 02:27 AM
I am pretty sure your stacks were two chips short. That would account for most of the discrepancy. 99% chance you screwed up. When dealers start doing side pots, you gotta pay attention. Some of them are on auto pilot , just collecting a paycheck. Others are good and know what's going on.
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12-06-2016 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by dinesh

On the positive side, there is at least a 50% chance you're wrong and you weren't shorted at all.
agreed - nearly every time I've done a double take on a pot amount I've countered it up again or recounted the numbers by players and realized it was more or less spot on
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12-06-2016 , 05:24 PM
A part of being a good poker player is watching the chip counts like a hawk.
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12-06-2016 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by javi
Even if the cameras verified your story the casino isnt going to take the hit. Best case scenario they pull money out of the offending players stack at the time it happened.
Believe it or not I was shorted about $300 at the Bellagio and the room paid me.

I got a full double up, then while stacking my chips won the next pot, got my chips stacked and noticed that I somehow had less than a full double in my stack. I alerted the dealer, she did nothing but make excuses. I asked for a floor and she refused and said the pot was right. I even recounted all of the bets from the hand for her and despite agreeing with the bet amounts, she refused to acknowledge that my stack was off.

Finally I get a floor person to reluctantly listen to me on the third try. They found that the dealer didn't grab his turn call and the other player saw an opportunity to cheat me and put the chips back in his stack. During this whole thing the scumbag had already declared he wasn't going to pay if a mistake was made and then proceeded to sneak off when I finally got someone to listen to me. Since he was long gone the room agreed to pay me.
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