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07-15-2010 , 06:52 PM
First time posting here. Mod if this is not the right forum please move.

A friend and I have a bet regarding the rules of a hand in a CASH GAME.

Player A goes all in PF
Player B and Player C both call (Main Pot)

On the Flop Player B bets and Player C calls (Side Pot)
On the turn Player B bets and Player C calls
On the River player B bets and Player C FOLDS.

After the river bet by player B and player C folds is the side pot automatically awarded to Player B even if he then mucks his card before the allin player (player A) shows his cards to win the main pot.

The main point of all of this is about the side pot. Is Player B awarded the side pot since player C folded to a river bet regardless that he then mucked before the allin player show his hand
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07-15-2010 , 06:59 PM
Yes, the side pot goes to player b, this is awarded first before the main pot. Player A has put no money in the side pot so can not win it
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07-15-2010 , 07:01 PM
Player B gets the side because he's the last player left in the hand for that pot.
Player A gets the main.
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07-15-2010 , 07:01 PM
Without any odd house rules, yes, B gets the sidepot without showing.
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07-15-2010 , 09:11 PM
One more time, Player B gets the side pot.

Whoever bet that Player B should get the side pot, wins.
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07-15-2010 , 09:14 PM
Agree with all responses, obviously. But how could it be otherwise? Nothing else makes sense.
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07-15-2010 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
But how could it be otherwise? Nothing else makes sense.
Dealer tip.

There are rooms that require a hand be shown at showdown to receive a pot, even if the other player mucks. No, it doesn't make sense, but that's how it could be otherwise.

Anybody remember which rooms have this rule? I volunteer to call up and ask what they do in this situation.
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07-15-2010 , 10:05 PM
pfap it wasn't showdown though, he bet the river and the other guy mucked
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07-15-2010 , 10:35 PM
The question is does player b have a right to the side pot if he mucks his cards before it's awarded to him?
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07-15-2010 , 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
Dealer tip.

There are rooms that require a hand be shown at showdown to receive a pot, even if the other player mucks. No, it doesn't make sense, but that's how it could be otherwise.

Anybody remember which rooms have this rule? I volunteer to call up and ask what they do in this situation.
This is just some places/people misinterpreting a rule. Side pots should be treated as a different hand. If the player doesnt call there is no showdown for that pot, you dont have to show. Otherwise every uncalled hand would have to be shown, if you raise pre and every passes you dont have to show right? This is exactly the same.
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07-15-2010 , 11:02 PM
I actually got shafted recently on something similar, but not quite. It went to showdown and my opponent for the side pot mucked first, and I followed. I didn't get the side pot.

I had 63s and had a straight and flush draw on a 24XXX board. It was a three way all-in with a side about the same size as the main, and here I'm sitting with not quite the nut low. I really wasn't paying much attention to the other players (my bad) and just kinda sighed and tossed the cards forward. At which point, the table proclaims "YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST TABLED IT--THAT GUY ALREADY MUCKED!" Uhhh...what? I wake up. Yes, my opponent for the nice side pot has turbo mucked in front of me--guess the lady had shown him her cards as the dealer finished dealing out the board and he insta-mucked when the last card hit.

Oh... well that's nice, I win the side pot anyway, I explain. I don't have to show since I had the last live hand for the side. About 5 players tell me "nu uh" while the dealer is saying "I don't have a clue--FLOOR!". As we're waiting for the floor I tell the other guy I'm ok chopping with him and he nods--so we really don't need the floor but she's here anyway.

Floor acts completely perplexed and finally decides "just chop the side pot". So I didn't get to be magnanimous of my own volition and give up half the side--the floor did it for me.

Fair enough, given the situation, but the floor didn't really know the situation--she just ruled wrong. The room has no rule (or they sure don't enforce it) that you have to show a hand to get the pot--I see people all the time concede when their bluff is called and nobody makes the winner table a hand. If I HAD been watching and had intentionally mucked my hand to avoid having to show the straight+flush draw that I shoved with, I would have been REALLY perturbed. As it was, I was happy enough to have gotten away from that one with some of my stack intact.
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07-15-2010 , 11:47 PM
B won the side pot when C folded to his bet.

A won the main pot when B folded.

It can't happen any other way.
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07-16-2010 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by frommagio
Agree with all responses, obviously. But how could it be otherwise? Nothing else makes sense.
agreed
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07-16-2010 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pfapfap
There are rooms that require a hand be shown at showdown to receive a pot, even if the other player mucks. No, it doesn't make sense, but that's how it could be otherwise.

Anybody remember which rooms have this rule? I volunteer to call up and ask what they do in this situation.
I'll bet the Connecticut rooms have this rule (I've never been there), because the New Hampshire players I deal to, all get bent out of shape when I push a pot to a guy without requiring him to show his cards (and everyone who claims knowledge of any rule always backs it up with a loud, "That's how they do it at Foxwoods!").

I reply, "If he doesn't show, is there anything else I can do with this money but ship it to him?" But they're not interested in logic, they want it done "the right way".
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