Had a funny situation come up at Bally's LV Monday night. Button straddle to 5, i make it 15 in the HJ and button is the only caller.

Flop is A55dd I bet and call a min raise, and call his small turn and river bets on a blank run out. After the river is called, button table his hand to reveal T85ss (3 cards). Dealer and players look at guy like wtf, and he just shrugged his shoulders, then starts saying he didn't know he had 3 cards.

Floor is called, and rules to award the pot to only person with the live hand (me). Player goes ballistic saying he didn't know he had 3 cards, never playing at Bally's again etc etc.

Is this ruling standard, and would any of you have any moral qualms with taking the pot? I personally didn't because how am I supposed to know he isn't palming cards, and it seems like you would have to be pretty thick to not notice you have 3 cards. Does anyone offer to chop the pot?

standard ruling, def not giving him half the pot.

And I even say that as someone who has been dealt 3 cards and not known it. I raised KJ and then went back to check the suits and all of a sudden I had J6.

If he was super nice about it, I'd buy him a drink. If he was a dick about it, I'd ask how he felt about his decision to defend my raise with either 85 or T5 (not really nits don't panic).

I'm cool with not letting the angleshooter freeroll me.

So lets say he is telling the truth and didn't know he had three cards. OK, it's possible.

But lets say he is lying he knew he had three cards and knew he could freeroll a pot with you, as you may agree to chop the pot because "he didn't know he had three cards".

Do you think he would chop it with you if you folded to any of his bets? I doubt it. Hence why he could easily take advantage of this, thinking he either a) wins the pot with a bet or b) gets his money back because he "didn't know he had three cards....its an honest mistake guys."

Completely standard. Player's responsibility to ensure he has the right number of cards. If not, he must notify dealer before action begins. Once there's significant action, his hand is dead. If he is found to be purposefully playing with the wrong number (especially too many) cards, floor can also take stronger action.

Standard ruling. Players responsibility to make sure he has the right number of cards. As has been previously stated, too easy to freeroll you and try to induce a fold so he doesn't have to show his 3 cards. No chopping the pot, no deals, he loses everyday.

That was the other thing, in today's poker environment, not sure how much I really want to alienate someone who button straddles and calls 8x raises with 85 and T5.

I'm keeping the whole pot.

The only exception might be some players who I am friendly with, and who I don't think would be trying to shoot an angle on me.


--klez

button straddle can be +EV (UTG straddle is not obv), but yeah LOL at defending headsup with that cheese

The ruling is so standard that only an idiot would try to get a freeroll.

Possible that in the middle of the hand he realized that he had 3 cards and decided to "bluff his way out", but I think 0% chance that he knew it from the start.

After the ruling, I would treat it like he had T3, misread it as T5, and thought he had a winner. Sorry you made a mistake, but I'm not chopping the pot with you.

I think you miss the point. 5 8 T is a very strong hand in holdem.

Are suggesting there is a shortage of idiots?

I've been reading the Politics Forum here, so, no.

You can play one card but not three or more. Seen it happen twice

Sucks for him if he truly didn't realize, but this is the correct ruling. Nothing else can be done, his hand has to be killed.

Wow actually impressed ballys correct ruling.
The other option would be just return everyone's money, but I this situation this would be horribly wrong.

I wonder what player people are picturing? I picture a 50 yr old Arab dude otb shrugging his shoulders like op described.

I hope that's the standard ruling.

Nope, can't imagine a plausible scenario where I return money.

standard. if opponent was bad abnd i thought there was near zero chance i was being angled, i would give him half the pot.

yeah, but he kind of has to thread the needle. He has to be smart enough to come up with the angle, but stupid enough to miss why it wont work.

u need 2 cards to win iun any casino, not 1 or 3 . 2. he has a foul hand and he is a cheat for not saying so and gets a beat down

obv.. it can make all the straights

Sounds like dude was trying to angle to push you out of the pot or try to chop it in the end when he "found out" that he had 3 cards.

Congrats on winning the pot. Enjoy your fairly earned money!

I hope they asked surveillance to check the video to make sure he didn't scoop up his partner's folded 5 while forgetting to get rid of a card.

most likely the button was in the middle of two spots, but it is impossible NOT to know you have 3 cards. He knew he had a 5 so how can he miss the other two.

Don't feel sorry for him.

I still am thinking about how the hell he didn't realize he had 3 cards or anyone else for that matter (considering I don't imagine someone holding the cards in their hand the entire hand)...super strange.

I agree with the ruling though. His head was dead and buried.

LOL at anyone ITT who thinks there's even a remote chance the guy knew he had three cards before the showdown. People armed with that knowledge never table three cards.

The question is..how do you not know!? Maybe he thought the ruling was going to go the other way?

Just because you try to cheat, doesn't mean your the best at it..

While in this scenario it is likely that he didn't know .... it is possible he did know.

He may have been trying to table the hand in a manner that hid the third card, but failed to do so......

He may have realized he had three cards and decided to see what happened, when he hit his hand he bet hoping to take the hand down without having to show ..... when he got called he knew he was sunk figured his best way out was to try to get a ruling that that voided the hand or chopped the pot or gave him back his last bet ....


Good angle shooters disguise their shots.