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Relocating ASAP for Poker: Vegas, MD, Philly, or SoFla? Relocating ASAP for Poker: Vegas, MD, Philly, or SoFla?

08-03-2015 , 12:29 PM
OP loneliness crushes your game, you really need side hobbies/friends/responsibilities

that feel when i cant even follow my own advice

ps: (imo) vegas is such a shthole longterm, did you ever live there for 1 month+?
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08-03-2015 , 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Rod the Bod
This makes zero sense. Your WR is a reflection of the EV-ness of your decisions.
WR is money made per unit time.
EV is money made per unit money spent.

Recreational players are making the same amount of money whethet they're at the table or not or how good the table is. Pros don't. If a pro waits for a table for an hour, it's the equivalent of getting docked an hour's pay.

Because pros are constantly withdrawing from their bankrolls, playing a bad game is often preferential to playing in no game. Play at Casino A where a great +10 bb/hr game runs but you may get blocked out and the game has a 50% chance of disintegrating after 3 hours; or Casino B, which has a decent +5 bb/hr game which runs like clockwork 10 hours a day?

EV x time = WR

In blackjack, there's a concept called Wonging. Basically, you sit out all the negative counts, but play the positive ones. You end up with really high EV but not tremendously high WR, because you still have to sit there and count during the negative counts. It's very common for people to ask how to maximize their EV at blackjack - the answer is to count shoe after shoe for hours/days/weeks without playing a hand until you find the one in a million hand where the true count is +10 or something outrageous, then plunk down your life savings. But that leads to a super low WR because you play a hand a week.
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08-03-2015 , 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
Only recreational players have the luxury of thinking in terms of EV. Professionals have to think about WR.
This is so true when it comes to live poker.

Also, OP, you state "I'm trying to basically give up any life outside of poker for the next 2-3 years until I reach certain goals." I'd be worried about all the distractions in Vegas as compared to other places. Living in Florida, or Maryland, or Philadelphia is living in the real world. Living in Vegas is living in Adult Fantasy World. There are so many things in your face all day/night long to pull you away from your poker job.
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08-03-2015 , 02:44 PM
I'd be more worried about having a goal of giving up all life outside of poker. That is a fool's errand, and probably not a good idea even if it were achievable.
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08-03-2015 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
WR is money made per unit time.
EV is money made per unit money spent.

Recreational players are making the same amount of money whethet they're at the table or not or how good the table is. Pros don't. If a pro waits for a table for an hour, it's the equivalent of getting docked an hour's pay.

Because pros are constantly withdrawing from their bankrolls, playing a bad game is often preferential to playing in no game. Play at Casino A where a great +10 bb/hr game runs but you may get blocked out and the game has a 50% chance of disintegrating after 3 hours; or Casino B, which has a decent +5 bb/hr game which runs like clockwork 10 hours a day?

EV x time = WR

In blackjack, there's a concept called Wonging. Basically, you sit out all the negative counts, but play the positive ones. You end up with really high EV but not tremendously high WR, because you still have to sit there and count during the negative counts. It's very common for people to ask how to maximize their EV at blackjack - the answer is to count shoe after shoe for hours/days/weeks without playing a hand until you find the one in a million hand where the true count is +10 or something outrageous, then plunk down your life savings. But that leads to a super low WR because you play a hand a week.
I guess we agree then, and this is all a matter of semantics. I do not plan on waiting around for perfect game conditions to play. I'm going to put in the volume regardless. I just want to pick a location where near-perfect game conditions have the highest chance to materialize. Even if it only happens 3 or 4 times a year, the difference to my overall WR could be substantial.
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08-03-2015 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by dinesh
I'd be more worried about having a goal of giving up all life outside of poker. That is a fool's errand, and probably not a good idea even if it were achievable.
I know doing it long-term would render one soulless, but I'm hoping I can stay motivated and mentally fortified to take it on, always keeping in mind the light at the end of the tunnel (when I hit a certain bankroll milestone and can drastically reduce hours).

As it stands, I plan on taking just enough time off (one day a week or so) to avoid the slow descent into madness. The plan is to average 55+ hours per week until hitting certain goals.
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08-03-2015 , 06:45 PM
Tbh, poker rooms are overpopulated with grinders nowadays. A decent win rate is sometimes achievable, but most of the day winning players are fighting over peanuts. Peanuts. GL. You'd have better luck driving for uber
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08-05-2015 , 02:13 PM
55+ hours will expose u to a lot of varience where wales wont care or really notice but could break you but this is a good tread
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08-05-2015 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dagrims
Living in Florida, or Maryland, or Philadelphia is living in the real world. Living in Vegas is living in Adult Fantasy World. There are so many things in your face all day/night long to pull you away from your poker job.

You may omit South Florida from "the real world". It likely hasn't been "real" down here since the hurricane of 1926. The news that is reported down here on a daily basis is so weird/violent/obscene that you can get banned here on 2+2 for repeating it -- but, on the positive side it does keep writers novelists like Carl Hiaasen and Dave Barry stockpiled with years full of material.

South Florida is not a place for those easily distracted. or to be more precise, it's exactly the right place for those easily distracted -- they will find plenty of distractions.
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08-06-2015 , 12:11 AM
Between Vegas, FL, etc. which is the best place to get a job if things don't work out? Or even part-time something to supplement?
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08-06-2015 , 03:42 AM
The good thing about the move to Vegas, is you are only 4 hrs drive/1hr flight to Los Angeles, the capital of dream games (or just about any other poker room destination within the state of California - you can hardly go wrong). You are also close to Phoenix which runs very loose compared to Vegas, and it is good to mix in a change of scenery every so often. In fact, there are many profitable poker rooms throughout the Southwest US. (just not in Tucson anymore)

Good Luck
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08-07-2015 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen of No
You may omit South Florida from "the real world". It likely hasn't been "real" down here since the hurricane of 1926. The news that is reported down here on a daily basis is so weird/violent/obscene that you can get banned here on 2+2 for repeating it -- but, on the positive side it does keep writers novelists like Carl Hiaasen and Dave Barry stockpiled with years full of material.

South Florida is not a place for those easily distracted. or to be more precise, it's exactly the right place for those easily distracted -- they will find plenty of distractions.
as a long time south Floridian, I whole heartedly agree. This place is ridiculous.

Pick up any of Carl Hiaasen's work, it is all great and he pretty accurately describes (although in an extreme fashion sometimes) the mindsets of a lot of the people down here. Sick Puppy is one of my favorites by him, a very entertaining read.
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08-08-2015 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rod the Bod
I know doing it long-term would render one soulless, but I'm hoping I can stay motivated and mentally fortified to take it on, always keeping in mind the light at the end of the tunnel (when I hit a certain bankroll milestone and can drastically reduce hours).

As it stands, I plan on taking just enough time off (one day a week or so) to avoid the slow descent into madness. The plan is to average 55+ hours per week until hitting certain goals.
Sounds terrible to me, but it also sounds like you've made an informed decision so best of luck. Let us know how it goes.
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