Throwing in one chip is a call

Isn't casino always right? I mean no one wants to argue with them usually. Or you're banned or thrown in a jail even, I saw that happen. In case when the player refuses to pay, doesn't casino pay? Because they suppose to protect the game from any issues. I think I would ask them for explanation if the dealer said "all in and a call".

Nooooooo.

If you're stealing from them in a pit game, you will be arrested. Unless you are in NV, if you steal from another player in poker, they will usually do nothing except maybe ban the player until he makes right.

The casino will never ever pay. Except for small amounts in some cases, but usually not even then.

Even if I'm a reg? That's nasty. Now I'm getting paranoid too.

So if the casino doesn't care, it means it's not safe to leave your chips on your sit and go take a long break? Hm....

Couldn't a casino argue that the physical chips are their property, or in some other way prevent the welsher from cashing out?

Not safe at all.

They could, but what happens if he leaves with the chips and comes back a month later? Or sells them to someone and never cashes in the chips himself?

Casinos care a lot about pit games, and very little after that.

All that telling you to throw a chip does after you verbalize a call is creates something that can be seen on the cameras if you later claim you didn't say "Call". It doesn;t change the fact that you are already bound to the call by virtue of your verbal action ... it justs creates evidence if there is a dispute about what your verbal action was.

The casino is not responsible for your stuff. If you leave your chips or whatever else on the table and go take a dinner break or piss break, it is the same as doing so at say a restaurant. If you come back and your **** is gone we will try our best to help you get it back, but if we are unsuccessful you are SOL.

If someone doesn't pay off a bet we will do our best to get that money from the guest, but if we don't, you are SOL. We may even get it back a few months later and give it to you, but no promises. Moral = protect yourself.

How? Other than just take my chips with me and lose the sit.

Generally you could take big chips and bills with you when you leave, and always count your stacks before you go and when you return. Realistically, it is rare for anyone to have anything stolen from their stack, so players generally don't worry about it. I would guess it's more likely that some drunk guy might sit in your seat and start playing your chips accidentally than that someone would palm a chip off your stack.

I vote to STOP the one-chip Call!!
Put your chips in .......thats why you have them!!!!!
Why is this so difficult.
Opens up to many potential angles/problems if you honor any other method!!

Player has huge amount of chips ... putting them all in is a time waster.

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Just out of curiosity, what happens if a player pushes his chips in to call and the betting line is enforced. There is no denying he made the call but after he sees he loses the hand he just grabs his chips and walks out.

Is there anything different that the casino can do compared to someone calling verbally or with a chip to collect the money?

This depends on the casino and the legal jurisdiction in which it resides.

But in general, no, the casino will not do anything different than if someone calls verbally and does not pay. Which is why all this discission about "what if they don't pay" is kind of pointless. Yes, it's a risk, no, it's not an extra risk.

If I'm sitting next to him, he won't be pulling those chips back behind the line.

It does matter what the dealer says. AFAIK, you would have some type of legitimate grievance if the dealer said such a thing and then you showed your hand prematurely.

A player could verbalize a call and then later claim he never said he called. Don't see why that's better than getting them to throw a chip in.

The more the villain does to provide evidence of the call, the less likely they will try, or succeed, in refusing to pay.

The bad guys who say call and don't move a chip will later claim they said nothing, or said something else. The bad guys who throw in 1 chip and say nothing will claim they were asking the dealer for change, or thought the bet was just the 1 chip, and they didn't intend to call more.

So, the more evidence they provide, the less they can claim some "confusion".

But, as has been said, if they intend to grab the chips and not pay no matter how clearly they called, you might be out of luck. However, since they are now technically stealing your property, you might not be guilty of any crime if you physically take those chips away from them. There is no doubt that if somebody runs up and grabs your wallet from your hand, you are legally entitled to chase them down, tackle them, and take back your property. At least in most of the world. however, here you would be the first person to do anything physical, so to speak. And of course, it might easily turn into a fist fight that either gets you injured, or in jail. So, best to be pretty sure that you won't get hurt, and that you won't get arrested, before trying this tactic. ;-)

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

It's pretty amazing how rarely something like this happens, or having chips stolen while you are away from the table for that matter. We all regularly leave hundreds and thousands of dollars with all kinds of strangers and go walk around the casino without a care in the world. Has anyone ever had anything happen?

I've read stories on here of this happening. Never seen / experienced it myself thankfully.

Saw this in an underground game in NYC. Game was usually 1/3 but 5/5 on this night, lol. One of my favorite regulars is taking a smoke break and a near blacked out drunk guy sits at his $1k stack and says he's just gonna play one hand, it's cool. Well it was just one hand, but he was about $500 in before having to give up on the bluff. The best part is, he was one of the hosts. They had to make it right obv but what a ****show, esp. when the guy first returned from his smoke break...

It has never happened to me, but I have been one or two tables away from players whose chips were stolen off the table on at least 3 occasions. I knew two of these players personally; they never got the $ back and the casino didn't make them whole. I know of one case in which (I was told) the money was recovered and returned to the player some weeks later.
I think that the only way to protect yourself here is to take most of your stack (large denomination chips) when you leave, informing the dealer (and keeping the seat), and then to replace them when you return. Some people do this, although most don't. I do see it more often when someone has some large denomination chips (relative to the game they're in) in their stack. I also sometimes see players with many stacks of smaller chips color up so that they can do this.
As far as the silent one-chip call is concerned, IME almost all casinos do rule it a call, although I think that most/many casinos outside of NV will only "enforce" it to the extent of banning a non-payer. However, IME the refusal to pay happens so rarely that it's hardly worth worrying about on small to normally large pots. I have certainly heard of it, but have never actually seen it myself.
If you are worried, you can insist that the other player actually put his chips in (although this may irritate everyone). I personally wouldn't do this for $80, but if I were in a big enough pot with a player I didn't know (or some that I do know!), I would.
Once his chips are physically in the pot, they are no longer "his", and grabbing them and running is generally (or should be) no different than grabbing them from you or from the casino (i.e., it's theft, and can be treated that way, if you or the casino want to).