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Pros/Cons of being a dealer? Pros/Cons of being a dealer?

03-11-2010 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Dealer-Guy
Dealing is a very intense profession. You are constantly in motion. While the players are complaining about the cold room, dealers are sweating.

Multi tasking is the key word. Doing 3 to 4 things at one time is common and you are expected to do them all perfectly.

You are blamed for bad cards and bad luck. You are seldom complimented.

Some shifts you work less time than you spend on breaks which affects your income. (if you are working for tips)

You are watching the game and seeing a lot of hands but you are an impartial observer with no input to how the game is played.

You cannot compliment a player on his nice play or congratulate anyone of a big win.

You cannot wish a player good luck when he is all in.

You have to treat everyone equally well since customer service is vital. You may wish to run over certain players in the parking lot but they may be the ones who bring in the good players so you have to just accept that you cannot change anything and just do your job.

It's aggravatiing, stressful, exciting, boring, fun, and my favorite job of all time.

I would not give it up for anything short of winning the lottery. (Need to buy a ticket for that sometime)

Not going to discuss tipping except to say some people will tip you, others will not. It's a personal choice, no one HAS to tip you, just accept that.

EDIT: If they DO tip you, look them in the eye and tell them THANK YOU in the same way everytime. Do not make a production of a big tip, do not blow off a small one. You will get many more small tips than big ones, they really tend to add up.
Well said Dealer Guy. I have been dealing now for about 6months and love it. But it's still not for everyone. A couple more things. If you start to deal be ready to be at the bottom of the senoirity list for a long time and not be able to pick what shifts you want. I don't mind swing or graves so I'm fine with that(also stay pretty busy at theses times). Getting to know players over time will also affect your pay. If you are a good dealer and respected by the players you might get an extra buck every now and then. Pay attention to your game and call your game.
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03-11-2010 , 06:30 PM
It's not all that difficult, and you can make what could be considered good money depending on your cirumstances. It's also fun at times and helps you learn about the game.

A sore back, fatigue, and rude people are the negatives. Also, realize that when any rules dispute occurs, you're going to be the Villain to someone no matter what happens.
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03-11-2010 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
pro: you just climbed out of the wheel well of a 747 from the phillipines and someone is offering you a job during the worst recession in american history

con: everything else
amazing
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03-12-2010 , 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by AngryJohnny
Dealer-Guy, I doubt you have ever dealt to me but I am 100% sure you do an excellent job and should keep up the good work
Thanks...
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03-12-2010 , 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by psandman
Yes someone does know an accurate estimate of how much dealers make. No I will not discuss my actual income on a public forum, as I will not ask you to discuss yours. That being said I make a reasonable living dealing poker. That being said most poker dealers in vegas are relegated to less than full time positions, with no medical benefits. Many work multiple jobs to get by. Right now I work 3 days a week and get by. If I could work full time I would be very comfortable.

I am single with no dependents. If I was supporting a family on what I make it would be a lot tighter, we could survive but it wouldn't be an easy life.

Aslo don't assume dealers at the bigger rooms make more than dealers in small rooms. I have worked in rooms of all different sizes, some on the strip some off the strip. The best job I had money wise was a 10 table off strip room with a primarily local base of players, with a few tourists mixed in.
in terms of numbers, can you provide a rough estimation of how it works

for example, after playing 1 hour plo 2-5 at venitian, i would say dealer got about $100 in tips. so does the dealer keep that $100 to him/herself? or is it split up in some way?

and on a related note, is it okay to tip in cash instead of dropping chips as you leave the table?
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03-12-2010 , 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by vegez
for example, after playing 1 hour plo 2-5 at venitian, i would say dealer got about $100 in tips.
$100 for one hour? I need to see if their hiring.
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03-12-2010 , 03:54 AM
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Originally Posted by vegez
in terms of numbers, can you provide a rough estimation of how it works

for example, after playing 1 hour plo 2-5 at venitian, i would say dealer got about $100 in tips. so does the dealer keep that $100 to him/herself? or is it split up in some way?

and on a related note, is it okay to tip in cash instead of dropping chips as you leave the table?
If you are close on your number for the PLO game then it was the definately the exception not the norm. I would say a game like that comes together (for a dealer) maybe once a month, depending on where you work. It certainly isn't common.

Most Strip dealers get to keep there own tips, and are subject to tip compliance (an agreed upon contract with the IRS that taxes a set $ amount per hour in tips). In other parts of the country where they get to keep their own, they put the tips in a locked box and carry it with them from table to table. At the end of the night the revenue is veryfied when the box is unlocked, and that amount is taxed. The money may go to a paycheck.

The general rule of thumb: If a dealer puts the tip into their pocket, or into the rack or a box that they take with them from table to table, they are keeping their own. If they put it in a box or slot on the table that they don't take with them, they are pooling with the other poker dealers, and perhaps with the casino dealers also.

EDIT: As far as the cash, it's fine to do so and the dealer will appreciate anything you give, but he might rather have the chip. You might see the dealer change the bill, as it's not easy to fit into the pocket (with other chips) or box.

Last edited by BoDiddleyMacau; 03-12-2010 at 04:08 AM.
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03-12-2010 , 04:39 AM
In Australia we can't take tips, we get paid an hourly rate of around $19-$24 an hour depending how experienced we are and how many games we have.
From what I've experienced, because dealers don't get tipped in Australia the players are less inclined to blame us/thank us when they lose/win pots.
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03-12-2010 , 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by vegez
in terms of numbers, can you provide a rough estimation of how it works

for example, after playing 1 hour plo 2-5 at venitian, i would say dealer got about $100 in tips. so does the dealer keep that $100 to him/herself? or is it split up in some way?

and on a related note, is it okay to tip in cash instead of dropping chips as you leave the table?

In Vegas poker dealers are usually keeping theoir own tips. Most rooms use 1/2 hour downs so it would be unusual for a dealer to be at one table for an entire hour (though in smaller rooms on graveyard shift its not unusual for a dealer to lock in to a table when the room is not very busy)

Tournament tips are pooled (because otherwise only a few dealers would get any money for all the work done by many dealers). generally the money is divided out by the number of downs each dealer has dealt so the dealers who dealt more downs in the tournament get proportionally more money. In some rooms the floor staff may get a percentage of the tournament toke pool.


Also in many rooms dealers are expected to toke other employees such as chip runners, brushes, cashiers, and floor staff. In a few vegas rooms it may even be mandatory (I had a manager tell us when I opened a room that it was voluntary to toke the brushes but that if they didn't get enough he would make it mandatory).

And as someone else said . . . . making a $100 in a an hour is not a usual event. It may happen from time to time but its not common. I have even received a few $100 tokes ... but those usually involved someone hitting a jackpot payout.
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03-12-2010 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Slowmash
From what I've experienced, because dealers don't get tipped in Australia the players are less inclined to blame us/thank us when they lose/win pots.
Thats odd, because here the players who don't tip still blame us when they lose.
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03-12-2010 , 05:38 AM
My cousin was a dealer, but not for one of those big Vegas casino. She would complains about being being rule after a bad beat or something like that. Same stuff that people do online when they are tilting, but live.

The hrs are not very flexible and you have to be on time. Being a little late will get you fire. They use a point systems for every infraction.

The nice thing is that she was pulling in 50K+ per year.

PS. She quit after working for a few years.
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03-12-2010 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramon Scott
"What the difference between a proctologist and a poker dealer?"

"A proctologist only has to look as one ***hole at a time."
Someone has not been to a group exam before.....
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03-12-2010 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by seoman2009
She would complains about being being rule after a bad beat or something like that
I have no idea what this means.
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03-12-2010 , 11:43 AM
Dealing is a lot like babysitting.

You constantly have to tell people what to do then they cry when they don't like being told they have to go in turn, or not to throw cards, or to act like an adult and not curse all the time.

When you enforce the rules, you will undoubtedly be the a hole in the players minds and your income will suffer. A dealer cannot win in any situation including calling the floor over. Thats when they view you as the tattle tale and continue to talk **** about you to other players like you're not there.

Oh yeah, could could with the drunk douchebags but that would be 75% of my clientele. Oh wait, I'd still make about the same money.
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03-12-2010 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Photoc
Oh yeah, could could with the drunk douchebags .
I have no idea what this means.
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03-12-2010 , 12:33 PM
i would say a con would be you have to be a dealer
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03-12-2010 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by seoman2009
She would complains about being being rule after a bad beat or something like that.
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Originally Posted by Photoc
I have no idea what this means.
Given the context of the topic, I want to think he means "She would complain about them being rude after a bad beat or something like that."
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03-12-2010 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
I have no idea what this means.
Damn, was hoping that other guy would notice that first. LOL Steamraise blowing my up my spot eh (yes it was done intentionally)


What it means is "if you could deal with" hehe
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03-12-2010 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
Given the context of the topic, I want to think he means "She would complain about them being rude after a bad beat or something like that."
Gotcha, really had no idea what it meant, lol. I'm tired!
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03-13-2010 , 02:05 PM
Go to college, get a degree. Poker is really not the industry to be looking at right now for your long term career.

Dealing at a charity casino will be an eye opener for you. Dealing at the Venetian or Wynn is a long, long way from the entry level.
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03-13-2010 , 05:26 PM
Yeah I'm a college student so I don't plan on this being a career but steady work on the weekends would be a plus.
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03-13-2010 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NoodlesMcintosh
Yeah I'm a college student so I don't plan on this being a career but steady work on the weekends would be a plus.
if you can find a room like they have in Missouri where there is no rake, you get tipped by the winner every single hand. That has to be the best solution you can hope for. At the 5/10 games I've seen people tip up to $100 on one hand, like a 3k pot where the dude sucked out huge, but still, the usual tip is between $1-3 every hand
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03-13-2010 , 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by lincolnlogs
if you can find a room like they have in Missouri where there is no rake, you get tipped by the winner every single hand. That has to be the best solution you can hope for. At the 5/10 games I've seen people tip up to $100 on one hand, like a 3k pot where the dude sucked out huge, but still, the usual tip is between $1-3 every hand
how would the room profit if they don't charge rake? is there some kind of admission fee?
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03-13-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PkrMaven
Dealing at the Venetian or Wynn is a long, long way from the entry level.
Very well said. I would add that dealing *prime shifts* at those properties is even further from entry level. Very, very hard to get those positions.

q/q
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03-13-2010 , 09:11 PM
if your just looking to work a couple days a week for extra money while you go to school then it's a great job. You said it was a charity room correct? My dad worked in one in Michigan for beer money and said players were very friendly since it was more of a "home" game atmosphere. Just remember that accuracy comes first and the speed will follow.
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