1/2 NL - 7 Players preflop limp. Flop 10 9 6 rainbow. BB raises to 25, EP calls 25 , Hero (MP) raises 150 all in with bottom 2 pair.

Every one folds.

Hero mucks across betting line, looks at dealer to ship. WAIT! another player says - "Bennie" is still in the hand!

Holy crap, I did not see he had called, his hands were over his cards, and I was also distracted by the original caller who was trying to get a read on me.

The cards I folded were barely over the line, had not touched anything, and within 3 seconds of folding, I exclaimed - " I'm not folding, I'm all in and turned my cards over"

Villain protested that I folded, and I repeated that I didn't know anyone was left in the hand, and I am not folding because I'm all in. Satisfied, the dealer continues with turn, and the river, I win, she ships pot to me.

Only after losing the pot the villain asks the dealer to call floor for ruling. Floor comes, rules my hand dead in strict accordance with house rules.

WTF?, I object- knowing my mucked cards were clearly identifiable, however I know floors ruling is final, I get mad at villain, who I have played with a few times, asking forcefully "Do you really want to win like this?". Table is siding with me, he concedes to split the pot.

What are your thoughts on the floors ruling?

Yes I know "You need to protect your hand". I indeed share responsibility in this mess.

You got hosed. Floor is an idiot here. As long as your hand is identifiable and retrievable, you get it back here. Different story is you would have been facing a bet and discarded your hand away which is likely the comparison the floor is making, even though it doesnt apply here. I would have asked for the shift boss-poker manager to make a competent ruling after hearing this.

Horrible ruling, but...

1. Are you sure that the Floor understood exactly what happened?

2. If he did, he might have been enforcing a House Rule. An stupid rule, but you are stuck with the rules that the House sets. No appeal to Robert's Rules or 2+2:B&M.

3. He might not know his own House Rules or how to apply them. Apparently the dealer did not think your hand dead.

4. You look like George from his High School who stole his girlfriend.

Sucky house rule. Your hand would be live in most places.

If this is true than you really got screwed. That is a horrible ruling. Is there someone immediately above this floor guy you could bitch too? Unfortunately, the reality of the situation in that there's probably little if anything you can do.

This.

Mark

You can always ask to speak to a supervisor over the floor person. There are shift supervisors, poker room managers and casino managers on duty.

Likely it would never get past the poker room manager but if you do not ask, you never know.

Floor personal come in several different levels.

Some floor people are "dual rates" meaning they are usually dealers but on occassion they also act as floor people. They are usually trained and mauy actually know more aout poker than some other floor people.

Some floors are on loan from table games (BJ, 3 Card Poker etc). Their experience level in poker could be anything from non existant to highly skilled.

Some floors were dealers, became dual rates then became loor people, probably the best of the lot.

The problem is, you cannot tell them apart if you do not know them. They (usually) all wear suits and walk around the poker room.

Never accuse a floor on not knowing what they are doing even if it is apparent they don't.

Ask for a second opinion, nicely. Explain you just want to make sure that the call is correct. A decent floor will call his or her Shift to review the decision. If they do not wish to have their work reviewed, then you need to go over their head but give them the chance to resolve it first.