ok so I was playing some 5/10 live a couple of nights back and got into a spot where I thought the ruling was quite strange, but not having played very much live I'm not too sure about the rules.

Hero is MP w/ KQs, 1,5k stack
UTG limps with +- 2k
Hero iso to 65
BTN calls, UTG calls

Flop 379r
UTG check, HERO bets 105, BTN folds, UTG calls
turn J completing the rainbow.

UTG checks HERO bets 255, and UTG announces "500" before sliding in a 1k chip.
I quickly say thats not a raise and table captain(not utg) explains to me like a small child that he means 510 and the raise will be 510. I laugh at the ridicularity, and ask the dealer who seems unsure before the whole table tells me its 510, and dealer then agrees. I ask for the manager to be called and get shouted down, so I fold and get shown a set of 3s.

Was this correct given that UTG did not announce "raise" at any point. I was under the impression that because he didnt announce raise and declared an amount which was less than a minraise it should be a call? Any thoughts on this?

I believe this is a raise to 510. the players attempted bet is more than 50% of raise and should be corrected up to a full raise.

I see no reason to treat this any differently than if he put exactly 500(in multiple chips) without announcing anything.

The player has clearly indicated his intent is to raise and that should be honored.

Rules are not there to be a "gotcha!" when you are playing.
The raise was obviously made, just the number was off by 2%. Not enough to void a min-raise.

Pfap is correct as usual. Had the player just put in the chip without comment it would have been a call but by saying 500 and putting in that size chip, it's a raise.

Where were you playing 5/10 that they were using 1K chips in a cash game?

ruling is totally standard. When he said an amount larger than your bet, he announced his raise.

math is hard.

I laugh at the ridicularity.

It's a raise to 510.

In many casinos it is a call, just as it would be a call if you bet $255 and villain slid out 5 $100 chips. It is not double the bet amount raise. It is short.

Henrymi you got a home town ruling against you. I would have clarified the ruling with the floor, at least after the hand.

No, he got the standard ruling, any other would be a home town ruling. From Robert's Rules of Poker Section 14:

Ditto. It is an obvious raise.

From Robert's Rules of Poker:

If a player tries to bet or raise less than the legal minimum and has more chips, the wager must be increased to the proper size. (This does not apply to a player who has unintentionally put too much in to call.) The wager is brought up to the sufficient amount only, no greater size.

few casinos would rule like this, almost everywhere has a rule if it's more then 50%. Any casino would be stupid if the raise is to 500 but he owes 510 ruling it a call

The bet is 510 sir may I suggest you ignore all the extra **** that's going on and focus on the game.

Actually, it's "50% or more than," in case you need to know the specifics.

My regular 5/10 game (in a casino in Argentina btw) is played with 5s, 25s, 100s, 500s and 1000s. I prefer games with lots of chips but it's not up to me unfortunately.

It's an obvious raise to 510.

OP wanted it to be a call of 255 because this would have allowed him a free shot at bingo'ing the 10-ball he desperately needed after his utter spew of a turn bet.

Ya this is the most obvious raise. Additionally, it's beyond clear that he intended to raise, so why try to angleshoot him into calling ?

Reminds me of the angleshooter where I normally play... He bet $50, his opponent slid in a full stack ($100) to minraise him and the dealer counted it down, only $95, he tried to argue it was a call LOL.

He announced the raise, the amount he verbally stated is the bet. Doesn't matter what he pushed out

Are you interpreting the $500 to be the raise amount? And is is $755 to go?

That is possible. You have table captain (not in the hand) and rest of the table shouting down the OP.

Does not sound right.

CBarton: He said "500" meaning "[raise to] 500". He didn't realize a minraise was $510. The amount here is miniscule and his intent is BEYOND CLEAR. Forcing him to call here would be atrocious.

I never heard the word "ridicularity" before. But from the context, I gather that it means "standard."

definitely not all casinos that is a raise... harrahs AC that is a call. If raise is not announced, bet must be the full amount, that is their policy at least.

The raise was announced, it was just barely too small.

In my experience, Harrah's AC has had some dealers, floor people, and supervisors who don't know their rules and lack the intelligence to understand their rules if they were to read them.

But, if the situation in the op were to occur at Harrah's AC, it should be ruled a raise.

It's a raise to 510.

lol what?

But yeah OP it's a minraise.

i didnt say what it should be ruled i said what it would be ruled... I play in different casinos in AC and it is frustrating keeping track of the differences in rules, especially when one would benefit u, if u just happened to be at a different casino that day.