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Originally Posted by goose58
I'll vote 50/50 splitting pot, as it's the GTO answer. The pot is technically yours at the moment, but it rightfully belongs to the true winning hand. One could argue importance of rules or one could argue spirit of game. Some places, like the Commerce, let you look in the muck and pull out a winner if accidentally mucked.
Honestly, it's an error in game play order(mucking a strong hand before everyone has shown/anyone has shown a winner). Allowing the winning hand to forfeit the pot is welcoming future slow rolling and hand concealing.
It's an outdated rule to have a mucked hand instantly and forever dead, IMO. Rules are rules, yea, but sometimes rules should be changed when they no longer make sense.
How do you believe a properly mucked hand isn't instantly dead? I am not saying touching the muck is magic. But if the two cards are quickly and completely shoved into some random positioned positions in the muck pile, how can you retrieve them.
Also how can Commerce or anywhere low you to look through the muck to resurect a hand? No one except the floor in certain instances should be looking through the muck for a mucked hand.
Now if you are referring to retrieving a properly tabled handle that inadvertently got pulled in, remember a properly tabled hand wins. It can't subsequently be mucked. If it can't identifiably be retrieved without rooting through the muck, I would not bother. Just pay the winning hand and if the guys who lost but still has cards complains, then let the floor retrieve the cards, give that biatch complainer a good KITN and hand him a rack for the night. Once tabled a winning hand wins I don't care what happens to those two cards once they are tabled properly. If we have to use the tapes to confirm it, fine.
Btw this should be the rule everywhere. If the cards subsequently touch the muck, I don't care if the muck is magic and touching it kills a hand, once properly tabled no one, not even the player himself can't kill his hand. Maybe the floor as a penalty in some few rare situations, but cards speak once properly tabled.