Not really typical post on here but want some opinion on a weird situation that arose. 4 handed with main villain in seat 7. Other two Villains in seat 8 and 9 and im in seat 1 kinda bocked by the Dealer on the button.

Point is, the action is that on the river, pot is approx $500 And Villain shoves his stack of $200 all in and other players fold. Action is on me on the button with an 8 high missed flush draw, cant possibly beat any hands but before i mucked. The V mucked himself thinking for some reason i wasn't in the hand... Here i am scooping a $700 pot with 8 high...

He was an amateur, how he handled his chips and play style so forth. Should i have offered him the pot? Half the pot? Maybe if i had a pair i wouldnt feel to bad as he couldve been bluffing, but 8 high doesnt even beat any bluffs so it feels weird scooping the 200+BB pot...

Stuff like this is always based on your own morals.

I would say the majority of players would keep the pot.

I think in-game, if I was in that situation with your hand , I would just give him the pot.
If I had a borderline hand that I was possibly going to call, I would just give him his bet back.


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With 8 high (or any hand that I wasn't going to call the $200 with), I tell the dealer that I had folded and to give seat 7 the pot.

Did the dealer muck seat 7's cards and push you the pot? How much time between Seat 7's mistaken discard and the dealer pushing the pot?

EDIT: And what Angus said.

Seat 7 instantly mucked after seat 9 mucked, even the Dealer was lacking attention and waa pushing the pot over to seat 7 when i alerted i still have a live hand. Seat 7's hand wasn't retrievable and the floor was called over. The pot was ruled to be mine.

Honestly, pretty tough call..... But, even as a rec player, he should know you shouldn't muck your cards until the pot is pushed, tough $700 lesson but guessing he'll never do it again..... that being said, if I'm being honest, I'm probably going to keep the pot, but, I'd probably walk to the bathroom and hand the guy a black chip on the way back and say something along the lines of "Not sure if you would have won or not, but I feel bad, so have a few drinks on me" or something along those lines.... (Assuming that they didn't make you table your hand)


Also, how seat 7 handled the situation and prior interactions could make me do more/less depending on everything as well...

You should not have let it reach the floor unless you were intending to keep the pot. Attack of conscience now, maybe?

I probably wouldn't have said anything, just tossed my cards into the muck as the dealer pushed the pot to 7.

I would've kept the pot, which should tell you a little bit about the kind of person that keeps the pot.

Same thing happened to me one time. I had Ac2c and the board was Qc7c5h5c9s so I had a flush on a paired board. I value bet the river small for like $70 and to my amazement 3 people called.

I said nut flush, showed, and every one mucked. Player with QdQs shows the dealer and mucks. The dealer was wide eyed and just pushed me the pot. I didn't say anything and neither did the dealer, but we both knew he should of won if he didn't muck.

IT's just part of the game, and he has to learn sometime. People that call when they misread there hand don't get there money back. Do you think this guy should? UP to you I guess. I've seen it all the time, where someone thought they had a pocket pair of 7's and when they flip there hand over it's like 74o because they are tired and thought they looked at both cards instead of peeling the same one up 2 times. In 4 years I did this one time, and I lost a pretty big pot because of it.

He mucked before you mucked. If I had mucked and the dealer didn't see it, then the other guy mucked, I would speak up. Here, nope, it's my pot.

one man gathers what another man spills

Man reading some of these posts make me cringe. As another stated in the other thread you posted:

100% give him the pot. You know you weren't calling, and he was AI, so it's not like you might have bluff raised.

Doing anything else is scummy, although not against the rules since he mucked his hand.

So you knew you were going to fold and seat 7 and the dealer make mistakes - seat 7 by mucking when he thinks action is finished and the dealer forgets you have a hand. You speak up and say you still have cards, which I am fine with. The dealer should know he made a mistake and tell seat 7 there was still action possible. Now the floor gets called and a discussion takes place. At any point after alerting the dealer, you could have said, "I was going to fold, seat 7 gets the pot." You didn't and were awarded the pot by what appears to be the correct application of the rules.

As others have said, you are either comfortable with being awarded a pot based on a technicality - perhaps teaching the other player a lesson in the process - or you are not.

The fact you came here to post it, knowing full well the rules in this fairly straightforward situation, indicates you have a moral dilemma, not a rules question. Only you can answer that.

I treat others how i want to be treated. So i went to the atm and withdrew money to give the guy the pot back as house rules dont allow me to pass chips off my stack.

If i treat others how i think they would treat me, i'd take the pot. As 99% of poker players are money hungry and i can see myself making the same mistake and my opponent just stacking my chips. The dilemma is that even though i did what i felt was the morally correct thing, it's like im down $700... as no one would've stopped me from taking that$700 as im entitled to it. Not the guy, Not the Dealer or even the floor.

Yeah, replies on this thread seems more typical and expected from poker players. Where as the original one seems like a bunch of guys who have to much respect for the game to scoop a pot of this nature. Very interesting.

So why would you make this thread if you're going to look down upon reactions you're going to get?

Get off your high horse.

I'm not looking down on the reactions? Im just saying i myself wouldn't do it due to my personal morals, if someone was to take the pot; they are entitled to and thats fair enough. If i was to look down I'd say everyone who takes money in the situation is a scum, but its not wrong to take the pot as its within the ruling.

I made the thread to get an idea on what people think is acceptable in this situation, i got that.

so why didn't you just do this? could have saved a lot of time.

I hadnt decided at that point yet whether i was comfortable taking the pot or not. It is $700 after all..

Maybe it took some internal wrangling to get to the answer he felt was really the correct one. I get that and I applaud him for actually taking action afterwards.

If you take the pot here where you were not even considering a call I would try to shame you off the table.

Kudos for making the right decision. Not everyone would here as you can see by the responses to this thread.

Which begs the question why you made the first thread.

Morals is all about how you navigate uncharted waters. I don't know whether you work for a polling agency or what, but if the question is what you should do, look inward, not outward, for the answer.

Sorry - MISREAD ACTION - different scenario.

Position retracted.

Yes if you didn't call facing a bet then you're right - not entitled to the pot.

This isn't very similar, IMO. I wouldn't be giving the pot back there. In OP's case the allin bettor and the dealer thought everybody folded and mucked. OP was left with a hand he was never considering a call with. There was no misreading of hands.

So you would return a pot to someone who misread the number of players in a hand but you would not give back the pot to someone who has the best hand on showdown, which you saw? That's just as bad if not even worse.

I would shame you off the table.