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08-24-2015 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen of No
I've noticed recently a few players who like to attempt to angle by pretending to be "new" players.

Just the other night a guy came from a broken $1/2 table with a stack of a little over $1000 ($200 max buy in, so he'd done well at his last table). The very first hand at the table (when he folded prior to the river), when it got to the river and a player was tanking over a river bet, he looks at the tanking guy and asks "well, what do you put him on". When several players and the dealer told him he wasn't allowed to talk about the hand during the hand he shrugged and said "oh, I didn't know".

He continued his charade by asking each time the action got to him if he could raise -- 95% of the time he went all in (and did not move any of his chips forward).

I'm pretty sure he'd managed to angle a few players at his last table into thinking he he didn't know what he was doing -- hence the large stack. By the time the room closed, he'd lost over half his stack at my table.

Clues that he was angling:

1) the $1000+ stack
2) he was wearing a wool scarf euro style covering his throat here in South Florida where is 987 degrees outside here in August -- so not something you'd be wearing in the normal course of the day/evening unless you knew to wear one to a poker room.
3) the constant attempt at bullying by shoving all in.
4) the failure to move any chips when he was going all in (most neophytes eagerly shove all their chips across the betting line).
5) asking the question "what do you put him on". Even though he feigned ignorance that the question wasn't allowed during the hand, the fact that he knew to frame that question was a tell.

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Not so long ago a young woman sat down at the table and immediately started the coquette act... even to the point that during a hand, when the action was on her, she looked at the dealer and asked "I forget, is a flush better than a straight?". Both possibilities were on the board, and after she was told a flush was better she smiled and eagerly bet. The guys in the hand fell for it. :-/

Meanwhile I had watched her expertly riffling two stacks of chips together from the time she sat at the table.. neophytes don't riffle! lol.

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Is pretending to be new an acceptable angle (I think it's lame)? Have you see examples of it? Have you tried it?

Tell me your faux newbie stories...
Lived in Orlando and Tallahassee for almost 20 years. I had a sweater with me all the time. 105 in the shade outside and 65 in every mall, restaurant, or any other public place. Other stuff might be a tell (don't particularly care) but this??????????
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08-24-2015 , 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by *Ocho 1*
If it's who I think it is.....(The ONLY person I've ever seen wearing a scarf there) then anyone who plays there knows that he's not new to poker.


Especially when he starts going all in blind hand after hand.


(I always have my "ratty poker hoodie" in my truck & always take it when I play. It's either a freezer or a sauna there)

Has to be the same TALL guy -- he plays 2/5 sometimes too.. not sure if he plays the entire "neophyte" game on 2/5 also. Sad part is there were a couple of people at the table buying into the act -- they assumed he didn't know what he was doing and would call with marginal hands.
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08-24-2015 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
It's also possible that he had thyroid cancer and is hiding an unsightly scar.

It's also possible that he had a knitting grandma who loved poker and made him promise to wear the scarf every time he went to play.

It's also possible that he has a medical condition in which he is unable to maintain body temperature without covering his neck.

But it's most PROBABLE that he's not new.
Even if 1,2 and 3 are only possible, that still doesn't mean that the more probable explanation for the scarf-wearing is the fact that this guy is a seasoned poker player.

He's just as likely to be new as he is a seasoned player based on the "scarf theory" and none of those other "telling signs" that OP spoke about.

Like I said: newbie watches ESPN and sees a bunch of players with scarves wrapped around their neck...thinks it's cool...goes to the casino for the first time and wants to "fit in and look cool." To me, THAT is more probable. More of what I'm used to seeing in poker rooms.

So the guy wasn't a newbie after all? Okay, but that wasn't because he was wearing a scarf and we should've known better. That's absurd!

What I disagree with is her interpretation of what angling is.

Last edited by Rush17; 08-24-2015 at 11:34 PM.
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08-25-2015 , 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by callipygian

A scarf is a dead giveaway that you're not new.
Or that the individual understands that sometimes indoor locations in warm climates have A/C blasting.
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08-25-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Queen of No
Ask the guys who are wearing their sunglasses, hats, hoodies, and earphones at $1/2... and most of the time those are the guys who have zero read on anyone else.. it gets very funny.
I wear all that in various combinations and don't understand why it's a thing. I find it quite comfortable.
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08-25-2015 , 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by EvilGreebo
Scarves are the new sunglasses.

The theory? Wearing a scarf hides the jugular vein which on some people is can be noticeably seen to pump more actively when tense. Thus, the scarf is supposed to hide a tell.

In practice, it makes you look like a tool.
In theory, I've noticed that tools tend to get paid off more than they deserve.
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08-25-2015 , 08:12 AM
Just part of the trickery of the game. At the end of the day, you can at least be assured that they will be looser than the average player that gives of a tight, knowledgeable image. They won't be looser than a genuine newbie but they will still be loose and just as long as you know that you will make chips/money of them.
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08-25-2015 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Queen of No
In South Florida's intense summer heat a wool scarf just makes you look completely insane...
Not to disagree, but it's been my experience that the hotter it is outside, the further below 'meat locker' poker rooms set the thermostat.

p.s. Not just poker rooms, it seems to me every florida business location; office, mall, store, theatre, etc. seems to go by this same policy.
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08-26-2015 , 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by ie404
Not to disagree, but it's been my experience that the hotter it is outside, the further below 'meat locker' poker rooms set the thermostat.
So true. Nothing more annoying (BS wise) than a "new player" sitting down wearing a sweatshirt and jacket when it's 90 outside.
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08-26-2015 , 12:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Dick Tracy
Is a scarf really necessary at a 1/2 table?
It was probably a hipster or pretentious college kid.
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08-26-2015 , 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by cantstop
So true. Nothing more annoying (BS wise) than a "new player" sitting down wearing a sweatshirt and jacket when it's 90 outside.
yeah, but there, where we pay it's always either a freezer or a sauna. I always say that in the parking lot you can tell who the poker player are.....they are the ones carrying hoodies & sweaters.

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Originally Posted by outfit
It was probably a hipster or pretentious college kid.
If it's who I think it is, then yes, the dude is a hipster.
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08-29-2015 , 06:00 PM
Surprised people still actually try this but it threw me off about a mid 40s woman tried this in Vegas month or so ago.

Normal table she sits to my left and begins acting real ditsy "Please go easy on me guys I don't know this game very well" and would giggle and joke about wanting to gamble when raising pre.

Anyway about an hour in I crushed her QQ pretty good, with KJ or something, she mucked to my 3 bet on the river and went nuts on me.

"Nice hand you little punk kid, you think you're a good player and you didn't make it 4x Pre flop and only called etc etc" Her voice changed too. like 10 minutes later she left to a new table as I guess she realized the gig was up. Petty hilarious memory tho.
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08-31-2015 , 03:00 PM
Grunch. I have yet to meet someone who pretends they have hardly played before to be good. Most actual "new guys" want to give the impression they know what's going on, either that or they totally asking/trying to do the right thing as quickly and inconspicuously as possible. So the actor almost always has it wrong.

I find the "new guy act" is usually put on by a guy who is infact fairly new but not a total newby, and his act is often interlaced with trying to give the impression they are so experienced/good that they have come up with the ingenious idea of pretending to be new, which later transpires in a "nudge nudge wink wink" kind of way. If they win a pot at the beginning this act will often become more animated and there play will often become even worse.

I don't dislike these people, I understand there plight, and still to this day find them somewhat amusing.
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08-31-2015 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ie404
Not to disagree, but it's been my experience that the hotter it is outside, the further below 'meat locker' poker rooms set the thermostat.

p.s. Not just poker rooms, it seems to me every florida business location; office, mall, store, theatre, etc. seems to go by this same policy.
It's funny cus in England it's polar opposite (excuse the pun). I've lived in Florida and England. In England every shop is so blasted with the most disgusting artificial heat it just makes clothes shopping unbearable (especially if you're shopping with some overly polite and picky English girl) also Avoid busses and trains and NEVER get into a working class persons van/truck on a cold day!!
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