Sorry for the dumb question. I am sure I know what the answer is but I keep playing both sides of the argument in my head so got to spew it somewhere.

There are plenty of threads looking for 'soft tables' in Vegas and I'm just wondering why? I ask this as my experience of going to Vegas a number of times kinda questions it.

More often than not we'd end up at Mirage (before the makeover) and Planet Hollywood because of the types of players there and the 'soft game' rep and it's true, the play at times is pretty awful so there is money to be made. The tourist asking his wife if he can play for an hour and going crazy, the guy saying he's waiting for a 5/10 table and just plays like a donkey because it's cheap etc... but I got really frustrated at the bad beats and hands that really shouldn't be being played etc. The any two cards/Ax brigade that hit etc.

Last couple of times we started on these and sacked it off for the Aria and did much better as well as enjoying the game.

Why do people look for the soft tables when it can be such a minefield on them? I am sure the answer is because it's more profitable overtime playing optimum hands and suffering the odd beat from a hand that should have been folded pre but just wondering what others think?

I've never found any room in LV any "softer" consistently at low stakes. I prefer playing in Aria, Venetian, Bellagio and Encore because the rooms are more attractive to play in.

If you can't beat bad players ... maybe you should rethink your own skills

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Obviously you make more overall when someone is spewing off chips. That said, no need to spend a lot of time looking for a super special table when the normal standard table is full of fish anyway.

Most vegas tables are so full of local nits you have to look around otherwise youll be at a table full of guys watching the clock for their comps while they order 2 bottles of water at the time.

I saw one table on my last trip, a 1/3 game at encore, where a dealer dealt an entire down without putting a flop on the table. Vegas probably now has the nittiest games in the country on average.

Id much rather find a minefield where i can actually win (or lose) some pots that get the pulse going.

Tables full of bad players are great because bad players who think they are good players become frustrated crybabies due to what they think are bad beats and start playing even worse.

The real answer is it depends on why you play poker. If you play poker soley for fun, then I could see how a stereotypically tougher table would be much more fun to play at than a crazy action table - for some people.

I was expecting a couple of answers like these and it's the bottom line I guess

I've not been to Vegas for a year but going in September again hence me just re-thinking this and the times we've been before. We only go for the week when we can so it's about having a good time there which includes the poker. We don't anything close to it in the North of the UK so a chance to see if we can put in to practice what I've learnt and it's not that easy to do when you are playing opponents that have crazy hand ranges, no idea what pot odds are and so on. I enjoyed the Aria game more and (maybe by more luck than chance) made more there than the equivalent time in PH.

If I was happy in my game and just wanted to make the maximum dollar out of nits then yes I guess PH or the like would be the place to go. For a week of good poker it just occurred to me the tables that people consider not so soft seemed to be a better bet...

I guess all that would change if I didn't do OK at the Aria type tables so maybe I'll change my mind this time

Thanks for the insight.

If your primary reason for playing is fun, then look for a table with fun people. People make the table, not the game imo. If you can beat the game for 1 drink per hour then you're doing pretty damn good aren't ya!

I tend towards the same but also took note of where the better/worse games were hence the tendency towards PH and when we had enough of that went to Aria. I do like to get used to a room so I feel more comfortable though so don't chop and change a lot in the week we have. I seem to like the rooms you can see the Casino from. I liked the change to the Caesers room for example but the music grated on me after a few days.

Only having a week every so often I feel I've got to find a room I like quick and stick to it for a bit. Get to know some of the players and their style as well.

I don't think any place has consistently better games, but I suspect there are a few rooms that have consistently worse games. A nit-friendly room with above-average hourly comps and below-average rake, especially if it has some other promo such as a freeroll or cash back also running, seems likely to be a bad game. Sometimes, it only takes a couple of bad players to turn a tough table into a gold mine, especially as decent players go on tilt from losing big pots to live ones with questionable hand selection, so there is a lot of unpredictable variance that goes into where a good game is.

If there is a consistently good game, it'd probably be an off-strip casino that poker dealers like to play at after work, if there is such a place.

Some players pick poker rooms where they remember winning. They don't have any ability to evaluate whether the game was a good one or not. They just remember their results and hope to repeat it, like a slot junkie going to the same machine that he hit a jackpot on during his last trip.

Because most people can't beat sober people.

Soft tables are sought after by fish who want to sit down and stack players who put their stack in with bottom pair while they hold the nuts.

The problem with "soft tables" is it's not the tables that are soft, it's the payers who play them. So if someone happens to go to the V and they sat in a table full of soft players, they would come on 2p2 and say "Those tables are soft" when in essence that one table at that one time was soft. Tables change every day...

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Soft tables are more comfortable to nap on, a good nap is nice after a long session.