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11-29-2010 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PrimogenitoX
Yea canoodles you are completely wrong. 5/10 online is a much bigger game than 5/10 live. I would be comfortable grinding 5/10 live for a living with like 15k to my name. I wouldn't be sure I could grind for a full day at 5/10 online with 15k.
He meant it plays like a bigger game with more stacks on the table, and thus a higher % of your BR exposed. A live 5/10 game could easily have 35k+ on the table
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11-29-2010 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by friendlybee
the thing is if i find an apartment or something to live in, is it safe to get out of casino to the place i live? assume i don't live in super rich area. if u cash out like 8k and stuff (obv 8k is not much for many ppl, but for some broke degen in vegas, anything will do) should i worry about safety like this or am i just thinking too much?
Can't you leave a roll at the casino?

Honest question. I've not played much live but I've always thought you could do this if you wanted too. Or deposited onto a bankaccount or something. The casinos don't do that?
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11-29-2010 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by sdrf
Can't you leave a roll at the casino?

Honest question. I've not played much live but I've always thought you could do this if you wanted too. Or deposited onto a bankaccount or something. The casinos don't do that?
last time my friend was playing higher limit games at the wynn, he cashed out like 30k+, he couldn't get a safe or some sort so he had to carry his 30k+ cash out of casino, but there were 3 of us.
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11-29-2010 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sdrf
Can't you leave a roll at the casino?

Honest question. I've not played much live but I've always thought you could do this if you wanted too. Or deposited onto a bankaccount or something. The casinos don't do that?
Yes. It's called a front money account.
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11-29-2010 , 08:41 PM
i would suggest moving to L.A instead . 5/10 games are super soft at the Bicyce casino,HP,hustler,commerce !
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11-29-2010 , 08:42 PM
You seem paranoid about safety.

The money you'll be carrying around will be the same as everybody else at a 2-5 game, less than those playing 5-10 and higher, and less than many others gambling in non-poker games.

People walk around Vegas all the time with thousands of dollars on them.
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11-29-2010 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by generalts0
He meant it plays like a bigger game with more stacks on the table, and thus a higher % of your BR exposed. A live 5/10 game could easily have 35k+ on the table
He's still wrong. I've bought in to the Wynn 5/10 for $100,000 before once when I was drunk and bored. If Phil Ivey also came over and bought in for a million and then Bill Gates came over and bought in for a billion, online 5/10 would still be a bigger game. DUCY?

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Originally Posted by friendlybee
last time my friend was playing higher limit games at the wynn, he cashed out like 30k+, he couldn't get a safe or some sort so he had to carry his 30k+ cash out of casino, but there were 3 of us.
After I was done playing that session, I didn't walk out onto Las Vegas Boulevard with my cash. That's just silly and asking for trouble even if I had 9 friends. Instead, I deposited it in a front money account at the main cage.
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11-29-2010 , 08:55 PM
OP-

1. If you want to consistently play bigger games than 2/5 LA is the place to move to, not Vegas.

2. $22k is not enough to be playing 5/10 full time, especially if you need to make a living at it.

3. Actually go and spend some time in Vegas and/or LA to test the waters (or anywhere else you want to move to). From your questions it sounds like you haven't spent much time in Vegas at all.
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11-29-2010 , 08:59 PM
I think 22k is enough
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11-29-2010 , 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by eco74
OP-

1. If you want to consistently play bigger games than 2/5 LA is the place to move to, not Vegas.

2. $22k is not enough to be playing 5/10 full time, especially if you need to make a living at it.

3. Actually go and spend some time in Vegas and/or LA to test the waters (or anywhere else you want to move to). From your questions it sounds like you haven't spent much time in Vegas at all.
I agree with eco here.

Question: what is your win rate live? You said youve plaid 500 hours? That is probably less than 15,000 hands live. Would any online pro say too significantly (5/10 live plays deeper stacked) move up in stakes with such a small sample size?

What is your tilt control for slow hands, high rake, and the general lowering of your IQ by always being around fellow degen gamblers 24/7?

Have you spent a significant amount of time in vegas? Generally speaking if you have degen tendencies (pit games, hookers, blow) vegas just magnifies these significantly, especially if you know NO ONE else in the city.

Why not just go for 4 weeks? At that point a 22K bankroll is of course short for 5/10... but hopefully even someone relatively new to B+M will not blow through that in 4 weeks?

And +1 for reading MattMoore's vegas thread
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11-29-2010 , 11:10 PM
To all people saying that if you want to play 5/10, you have to play in LA and not vegas.. why? Even with the rent difference?

LA is like 1300 for a 1/1 whereas Vegas is 6-700 for a 1/1. Spread out over a year, that's $7200.. 7 more buyins to earn..
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11-29-2010 , 11:40 PM
Isn't the biggest problem you'll face that there just aren't that many 5/10 games in Vegas? Does tuesday night at the Hard Rock still run? I think the thursday night game at GVR is done. I guess the Wynn game goes pretty regularly, but I've heard that it sucks. Does the Bellagio run it? A lot of regulars, not that many fish. I don't know, how many tourists drop into 5/10 games?
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11-29-2010 , 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by borderline
To all people saying that if you want to play 5/10, you have to play in LA and not vegas.. why? Even with the rent difference?

LA is like 1300 for a 1/1 whereas Vegas is 6-700 for a 1/1. Spread out over a year, that's $7200.. 7 more buyins to earn..
Because you have multiple games running at various cardrooms. In Vegas, in a 24 hour day, probably the majority of the time, there is no 5/10 game. Also the action in LA is better.
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11-29-2010 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook
Because you have multiple games running at various cardrooms. In Vegas, in a 24 hour day, probably the majority of the time, there is no 5/10 game. Also the action in LA is better.
Also helps that buy ins are smaller/capped (vs uncapped games and bigger Buyins within most vegaas 5/10 games)

Also you could at least get more 5/10 games, and game select, and still be able to make some sort of profit from the 2/3 games.
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11-30-2010 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook
Isn't the biggest problem you'll face that there just aren't that many 5/10 games in Vegas? Does tuesday night at the Hard Rock still run? I think the thursday night game at GVR is done. I guess the Wynn game goes pretty regularly, but I've heard that it sucks. Does the Bellagio run it? A lot of regulars, not that many fish. I don't know, how many tourists drop into 5/10 games?
???

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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook
Because you have multiple games running at various cardrooms. In Vegas, in a 24 hour day, probably the majority of the time, there is no 5/10 game. Also the action in LA is better.
????

I have just spent 3 weeks in vegas.. Was playing at bellagio for these 3 weeks and I never did NOT notice a 5/10 NL game not running.. and this was at like 3pm on a wednesday..

I always saw tons of tables with orange chips.. and if this is a limit game.. then why are there bills on the table?
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11-30-2010 , 02:11 AM
5-10 runs everyday at the Bellagio and Venetian. CardSharpCook simply doesn't know what games run in Vegas.

10-20 usually runs at the Bellagio, though during the slowest times it might not get off.
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11-30-2010 , 03:56 AM
I'd suggest working on your PLO game because whenever you find a live 5-5 PLO game in Vegas it will probably be wild & crazy & very good. Just set a stop-loss.

With respect to LA all it seems like I hear about is how the casinos are in these crappy parts of town & players get robbed/mugged there a lot, or even get followed home. Can anyone more familiar w/LA poker comment?

I lived in Vegas for a year (was not attempting to play pro, although I did play a lot) and in general I liked it. I lived in a crappy apartment a few blocks off the Strip (there are tons of places like this in LV) & I thought it was a safe enough area, if unglamorous. Mostly working class people trying to get by. You will see some creepy people but I found they pretty much left me alone (I dress like a peasant and don't draw attention to myself).

During my time in Vegas I was not as impressed by the poker as I would have liked, but I don't enjoy NLH very much and there isn't much mid-stakes action in LV for non-NLH games (that was my experience anyway, in 2008).

Right now I live in SF Bay and I've noticed some pretty big NL games seem to run regularly here -- given any thought to SF? Of course the living costs are high but same deal with LA...
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11-30-2010 , 04:09 AM
Morris... You could comfortably live in vegas with a 20k roll after paying 1st 6months rent playing 2/5NL.. playing 5/5 PLO though.. I'd need at least 50k.
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11-30-2010 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by borderline
Morris... You could comfortably live in vegas with a 20k roll after paying 1st 6months rent playing 2/5NL.. playing 5/5 PLO though.. I'd need at least 50k.
That's why I suggested setting a stop-loss. I believe in taking shots every once in a while if a game looks super-juicy. & personally I'd get bored as hell just playing NLH all the time.
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11-30-2010 , 05:14 AM
Is Las Vegas safe? Like any large city, it is as safe or unsafe as you make it. If you are not aware of your surroundings or do things to put yourself at risk it can be very unsafe. My wife and I lived in Summerlin, near Red Rock, in a gated community with guard patrols from nightfall to daybreak and I always felt safe. When I was traveling to and from casinos I usually had about 10k in my pocket and was more careful about when and where I came and went. I took all reasonable precautions to avoid placing myself at risk. While I served 4 years in the infantry, I am too old to win a physical fight. I never had any problems but I was always fully prepared to defend myself if necessary.

Is it tough/ is it worth it? Any day may be different but, they generally aren't giving away money at 5/10 games and I think 2/5 offers more reward for the risk. Those are my opinions, others probably have different experiences. I think by the time you get to 5/10 most of the easy money is gone.

If I wanted to solely make money I would skip Las Vegas and all casinos/cardrooms and look for home games. If you work at it, in most major metropolitan areas, you could probably be playing in juicy home games 5 nights a week within a year. They may not be the games you want but they have the easy money and in less time. For example, I used to play in a 5/10 limit home game that played one night per week for three hours; it was 1 hour 7 stud, 1 hour limit holdem and 1 hour Omaha 8. If I did not make a minimum $300 in those three hours I thought I had failed for the night. The other players used to call it my ATM but I played in it for over a decade and was always welcome. Usually one or more players in a game like this will play in another similar game. I got in two other games from this one and then started one of my own and eventually got into a 5th game. It was extremely rare for me to lose because the play was so bad. So think of this, you stay where you know people, play 3 hours a day and average $300+ per night; no rake, no tips; only cost to you is for your own home game. You need to look for businessmen, lawyers (I was one), doctors and professional sports players (above average players but no more than that and lots of loose money). They all want to gamble, you give them action, they give you their money. If I were you I'd probably stay where you are (?) or move to a large city where you can get the sort of action I described (which as far as I can tell is virtually any large American city).

Then your problem is what to do with the rest of your time.
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11-30-2010 , 05:42 AM
If you're trying to play 2-5nl and 5-10nl live for a living I think u should move to philadelphia area. With all these new casinos opening up such as, Parx, Harrahs, and Delaware Park, there are a lot of weak players wanting to gift wrap their chips to you. Along with great game selection, the 2-5nl game at Parx and DP has a max buy in of 1k. The 5-10nl at Parx had a max of 2k and at DP the game is uncapped! These games are super soft to the point where you will need to make a substantial change in your game. You will see a lot of odd lines taken that will make your head spin and question peoples sanity. But after the adjustment you should be crushing the games. Also, don't forget how close AC is (1hr drive). Living expense isn't as high as the westcoast as well. You should really consider it if you are serious.
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11-30-2010 , 05:52 AM
I dunno why some of u guys are suggesting LA. They have the worst NL structure in the country!! LA is great for limit poker but not NL (and by great I mean the absolute best). I remember playing 300nl at commerce and the blinds were 3-6. Was the silliest game I've played in.
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11-30-2010 , 06:40 AM
OP msg me if you want tips, I'm a MSNL player who just did 3 months in vegas.. your private msg is turned off.
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11-30-2010 , 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SolidFish
I dunno why some of u guys are suggesting LA. They have the worst NL structure in the country!! LA is great for limit poker but not NL (and by great I mean the absolute best). I remember playing 300nl at commerce and the blinds were 3-6. Was the silliest game I've played in.
We mentioned LA because of the stakes the OP is looking for. Commerce 5/10NL game (the 1500max, not the 500 game) is one of the softest 5/10NL Games in the country, and will consistently have multiple (5+) tables going at any time. We all realize the low limit games with the horrendous SoCal rake and low capped buy ins are not profitable in the long run.

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Originally Posted by Dynasty
5-10 runs everyday at the Bellagio and Venetian. CardSharpCook simply doesn't know what games run in Vegas.

10-20 usually runs at the Bellagio, though during the slowest times it might not get off.

Dynasty has spoken /end thread...
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11-30-2010 , 09:57 AM
Get a safe deposit box.

Valet is free.

Live in something gated.

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Also, 500 hours is a little light for a sample size for live poker.
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