I was at the casino tonight a hand came up

we see the flop one play goes all in I call and another player calls.

Turn other player checks I bet and put the player all in. He is thinking of calling so i said dont call and turn my hand over (I know stupid thing to do but i am quite pissed). The bet was $300 and they the other player had about $250. Now what actually happended is my hand is ruled dead the other player calls with 7 high takes the side pot and the first player all in takes the main pot.

I think this is totally wrong what you think. He still had the option to calls it does not effect the player all in who was making a big fuss saying my hand should be dead. I Just wanted to take down the $1000 pot there and then not wanting the other player to calls.

Got totally pissed off after the hand and probably lose another $600 on tilt even called a $150 pre flop raise with 34o that is how pissed off i was at the time. Still really pissed off about the hand now. Going to ask tomorrow to see the rule book make suue it was correct. The floor person at the time was saying take my money back but my hand is dead but the other players complained said no that is not correct. The floor when with the mejority and muched my cards and left my $300 in the pot. I did get $50 back because the other person did not cover.

Still pissed at the moment so sry if the above does not make sense.

learn the house rules before you play as they are different every where you go. i dont like that show your hand you lose rule. especially the money you put in that hasnt been acted on.

In most places this would not kill your hand, but it would certainly get you a penalty. Don't do it, and you won't have to worry about it.

What if the all-in player has you both beat, and wants to see you eliminate the other player? Tournaments are about more than the people in the hand. Everybody has equity in every decision, and exposing your hand goes against the fundamental nature of the game, which is incomplete information.

Wow. To me this ruiling really sucks. Certain places have certain rules, but on the wall in every poker room I have been in it says, "Decision of the floor is final". What this means that the floor person must enforce our rules to the best of their knowledge and use their judgement on the grey areas. To me this was a horrible ruling by the floor and I would have tilted too. The best thing to have done would have been to try to remain calm and explain to him that his ruling makes no sense, but even then, in the heat of the moment many floor people can not handle the heat. When action is heads up, in most casinos I have played in, you are actually pemitted to show your hand. The rule about not showing your hand exists as far as I know to keep people from affecting or changing the action when there is another player yet to act. Although you were not technically heads up, there was no action to be affected and the floor decision was horrible. You should have gotten up and walked away instead of tilting off more chips. Sorry about that man. Sounds like a really messed up situation, and the player with the 7 high probably knew that and took your money anyway. And everyone else at the table should have kept their mouths shut. I hate when people not involved in the hand flap their gums. STFU.

tournaments are a little stricter with the do not turn your hand up rule then cash games for the above reason, but still most places would let the player off with a warning even in a tourney.

That said, the hand is killed in some places. The extreme version of this rule has spread like wildfire as an urban legend of how it's "supposed" to be done, so in a lot of home games or bar leagues, you take your chances.

Regardless of the penalty, exposing your hand is simply something that should not be done in a tournament.

j/w why you would even do that in the first place??

I think that rule is totally unfair, but different casinos have different house rules. I feel sorry for you op. What everyone can learn from this is to never do anything out of the ordinary unless you are 100% sure of the rules for that casino.

First, killing your hand is ridiculous.

However, you are incorrect in that it does effect the all-in player. If showing your hand would have induced a call, the all-in player now has to beat two hands instead of just your one.

I think I see the real root of the issue here. Are you a Brit? By pissed, do you mean drunk (rather than angry)? If you're getting drunk and donking it up, there's not a whole lot to be said.

I agree, British or not, I think the OP was drunk and therefore his memory of the event may be skewed or just wrong.

As stated before, each room has it's own rules but even where the room allows exposed cards, it's usually ONLY in heads up hands and despite one player being all in, this was not a heads up situation.

Just like talking about a hand in multi way pots is wrong, I think the OP was wrong to expose his cards here. But not wrong enough to have his hand killed.

I think the floor making the OP leave his money in the pot after killing his hand was even more wrong. The thrid player gets to "win" the $250 without risk since it's a side pot just by saying "call"?

The all in player wanted the best hand (maybe) killed since he has seen it on TV that exposing your hand kills it.

In fact, most rooms will not kill an exposed hand although it will get you a warning in some.

OP, make sure you're sober and lucid when you go back to the room and ask politely to see the room manager. Explain that even if it was proper to kill your hand, forcing you to leave your moeny in for another player to "Win" without risk was completely wrong and the floor should not have let himself be swayed by the table.

Spoke to the floor again last night and basically he said I was cheating by exposing my cards and coluding with the other play. I said if I was not coluding with the other player in the pot I would not have tried to bet him out of the pot. I asked to see the rule he showed me the rule it it said a person who exposes his hand should be penelised for the rest of the hand. So he said he penelised me my killing my hand. He still think he got the ruleing correct and said he did it for the good of the game as if they allowed people to get away with doing this then people would stop playing in the game. He also said I could have been banned from playing. I had been drinking when this hand took place but not too much. I did not want the other player to call as I knew he had the flush draw and virtually the correct odds to call. I had second set which was the second nuts at the time. Not sure if I will play there again as I think it is such a bad call by the floor. Thanks for all your replys.

It doesn't seem you understand that this is not proper etiquette in tournaments, and you should not do this again. The ruling may have been extreme, but it's not an unheard of ruling in such situations. Don't do it, and you won't have to worry about it.

This.^^
Was this a tournament or a cash game? Where?

FYI This was a cash game not a tournament.

I still dont understand why you would do this.

Its got to be a angle otherwise you would have played the hand and not try
to kick the other guy out.

Whoops, my mistake entirely! I'm very sorry about that. Some day I'll look into this "reading comprehension" all the kids are talking about.

In that case, it can still affect a hand. Let's say you expose a hand that is in fact weaker than your opponent thought you had, and so now he calls. The all-in could beat you, but not the third guy.

It's still not something that should be done, but it's not nearly as egregious an offense as in a tournament. Killing your hand is an extreme penalty, but if those are the rules of the room, then that's how it goes. Don't expose your hand, and you won't have these problems, no matter what the rules of the room are. Even if the all-in player has no justification to be upset, you still don't want to do things outside of standard procedure that make people upset like this at a poker table.

WRONG!!! The bold is the most common misconception in poker, that action between two remaining player does not affect the player who is all in.

Let me give you an example in which it does.


Player A has 9 9
Player B has A K
Player C has 10 4

Flop: 8 5 2

Player A pushes all-in
Player B calls
Player C calls

Turn: 4

Player B pushes all-in. Player C is going to fold UNTIL Player B shows his hand. Now, Player C realizes that he is actually ahead of Player B and with only a 20% chance of a spade hitting on the river, Player C decides that he is ahead and makes the call.

Now, river is 10

Had PLayer B not have shown his hand and given Player C an additional advantage, Player C would have folded, and Player A who was all-in would have won the hand. But because Player B broke the rules and gave player C an Advantage, Player C wins this hand.

There are other examples, but I'll stop here. Fact is, even if one player is all in, actions by other players in the hand can still impact the outcome of the pot as relates to the all-in player.

I had lost quite a few pots to outdraws on the river I had the second nuts. I put the guy on a flush draw that was thinking of calling. I did not want him to call and outdraw me again.

"Logic acknowledged, but don't ever do it again" is the collective response.