And it's not a big issue if it's 6 chips ... but when it's 16 chips it is. Do you tilt me when spread six chips? No. But if you ask me how I prefer it your way is nor the answer.

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Anything over 5 chips requires attention when counting. The difference between 6 and 7 chips is harder to see than the difference between 4 and 5.

The problem is a large percentage of the time the stacks are not equal. People put out 2 stacks of 5 then a stack of 4 right next to it and flick it forward all the time. Because each stack might be different I still need to count each one anyway.

I don't agree that "a large percentage of the time the stacks are not equal". It's also easy to eyeball the chips to see if they're uneven. And they should always be counted anyway if the bet is called.

I don't agree that people have to flick over the last stack, but theres not much you can do to stop it. I would rather focus on stopping people from waiting until it's their turn preflop to look at their card, then pause as they decide what to do, or wear sunglasses indoors because that's what they think they're supposed to do. Flicking the last stack is at the bottom of the list of game flow improvements imo.

That's fine because it's easily seen as being correct with but a glance.

I always kind of wondered this, as I haven't played that many hours of live poker. When I used to go I would always count out my bets, then pick them up and slide the stack in whilst trying to neatly topple it over. Not sure what the thought process was, maybe I had seen it on tv or thought it looked cool lol. The dealer would then have to stack it back up and count it. Seems pretty obvious now after reading this thread, lesson learned!

^^^ There is some good in the world.

Yep.

If you stack your bets five high or less I don't have to touch them till it's time to scoop them in.

Stacked six or higher and I have to rearrange them every time.

Seconding the point about learning! A lot of unknown unknowns for many of us being carefully explained here. Thanks again!

Simplifying this thread - if the dealers are constantly rebreaking down your bet, its not dealer-optimal. If they are not having to ever touch your chips, and it's a room where they will handle bets - you're doing it good for them.

And IMO this is probably the biggest thing a player can do to keep a game running quickly, smoothly, and error-free. If I as a dealer don't have to worry about how much was just bet, I can focus fully on where the action is as well as the next player(s), instead of having to add counting a bet to my focus, which often will turn me physically away from where I want to be looking and have my one free hand.

If you want to be friendly to dealers and speed up the game, use greens and blacks instead of stacks of red whenever possible. This may conflict with psychological reasons for wanting to use your reds, so I'm not saying you definitely ought to do that.

I shake my head a bit at players who come to the table with two racks of red. It seems like a tell that they are going to be a fish.

Just say "all in" and the dealer will throw you the "all in" chip

Since you give us the most irritating thing in NL I'll give the most irritating things in limit:

1. When calling or raising a substantial number of chips (more than 8, we'll say), don't move them out in one stack just because you think it looks cool. The dealer just has to count them out anyway, so count them out in neat piles and save the time.

2. Don't splash the pot, especially with more than 4 chips.

3. Except in the case of a chopped pot, don't take your bet back thinking you have won. Let the dealer push it to you. On several occasions, I've seen someone get nitrolled where they pull their chips back after the call assuming their hand is good, and then they have to give the chips back when it turned out they lost.

4. Don't put the kill blind on top of the kill button. When you do this, the other players can't see the kill button and invariably someone doesn't realize the kill is on.

5. Don't deliberately move the exact amount of chips necessary for a raise forward, put them down on the felt, and then pull half of them back. I've seen this cause action behind.

6. When the action is capped, wait your turn to call the cap.