So you're in a tourney, same conditions and you're willing to get your stack in with 88 pf? Good luck with that.

I don't want to get into the merits of whether it's right or wrong, but I think most would agree that it's not so far into the 'wrong' category to warrant a 'lol good luck with that'.

people thinking 88 is a snapfold vs a 3.5bb and 10bb shove wtf lol nvg strat

He folded ak on k33

Fair enough. Maybe it's cash game mentality at play here. If I was in that spot, I'd find it a hard call without reads. At best, I'm flipping versus two overs.

Am I missing something here? I mean sure, against certain really tight players it can be a fold, but 88 when we're talking about shortstacks in tournys? That's a lot more standard than absurd.

No. You understand it fine.

ITT, "Someone played differently that I would have, and BEAT ME!", passes for "absurd"......

In what clearly is a lol cheapie donkament with no details beyond what the poster provided the call is totally standard.

Do you even tournament, Bro?

or a smaller pocket pair, or A7 or less, or two overs which you would still be ahead of. Believe it or not, short stacks in tournys who shove do not always have 99+

This is a great thread

Cash game it's still fine

Sure, but how often are you going to find two guys with stacks 10bb or less in a cash game.

So the consensus is its a standard spot / call. So full circle then, was my play with A10s bad? She certainly felt that way.

You had 10BBs with the blinds approaching. Some might suggest looking for a better spot after the blinds pass, but nobody will really fault the iso shove with AT.

No, it wasn't that bad. The big question for them is that you called with air on the flop. But you really didn't. You had a gutshot, and overcard, and a backdoor flush draw. It isn't perfect, and you certainly weren't getting correct odds to hit a gutshot. You will be out of position, which will make it harder (turns out it wasn't) to get value if you hit.

Folding wouldn't have been a big error, but given your implied odds (which you were actually able to realize) calling wasn't bad. Once you add the flush draw on the turn, and his bet is smaller (relative to the pot), you can't fold.

The self-appointed table expert (cash game) was imparting his wisdom last night to a young player who was bemoaning his losses. Some of the gems he imparted were:

1) you play a cash game just like a tournament, they're the same -- no difference.

2). If you raise with AK and there are other callers to your raise, then you get 3-bet by someone that you think has a high pocket pair, you want to isolate them -- so shove all in.

After the young guy lamented a lost pot because he couldn't figure out his opponent's hand and why his opponent had played his hand the way he did, I said (I know, I know, but the kid was getting so much advice from a guy who was luck-boxing and trying to attribute his play to skill, that I felt bad for him):

"try to analyze their hand from the perspective of how the opponent would play a hand, not how you would play their hand". Mr. Expert said "that makes no sense and that's stupid".

No, well played. Only if the guy was an absolute nit would I fold flop.

a one two game at delaware park. Forget the board, but this girl was bet into on the flop, then raised all-in when bet into on the turn with absolutely nothing, got called, sucked out. Her response was "i was posturing".

Here's one. I'm playing 1/2 at PARX and pick up 5 3 suited in a blind. It's 3 handed. the flop comes 4 6 7. I'm allin on the flop because I'm very short and get a caller and the guy behind him pushes all in. The caller is now thinking. The guy sitting next to him also has 5 3 and shows him his cards because he doesn't really care. the guys got 88 and sits there for like 5 minutes waiting to make a decision saying he has a good "suck out hand". finally I said something and he folded. (he would have won the pot when the river 5 hit.)

Never interrupt ur enemy when they are making a mistake-napoleon Bonaparte

Also, don't be result orientated-some guy on 2p2

I understand that, but I was all in and having the other guy in the hand could only hurt me. I was all in anyway. The guy came over the top, and the other guy had to call more than what I could win. It was either chop or lose the whole pot. I see your point though.

Ah okay, I miss read, wp

I guess i should still not say anything cause it could cost the other guy money, and I effected the action 3 handed, but he didn't seem to mind