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"I won $700 in 7 hours playing $1/$2 last night. That is what I should be winning all the time. I feel that last night was my true win rate. All the other times I get sucked out on or coolered. "

I say this after every winning session. It's true, imo.

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04-09-2009 , 04:07 PM

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Johnny Douglas

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Originally Posted by The_Suggs

Guy calls saying," I think I have a straight, tabling K3, saying straight QKA23. You can make a 'carry over' straight right???"

one of my home games friends has this straight ("wrap around straight" or "Yuriy's straight") named after him for the same reason. I really wish I could find this kind of skill level live.

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04-09-2009 , 04:10 PM

#403

Bumbaclat

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

I say this after every winning session. It's true, imo.

nice level

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04-09-2009 , 04:18 PM

#404

Rainbow Warrior

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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe

I said this after both my winning sessions. It's true, imo.

fyp

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04-09-2009 , 06:01 PM

#405

Poker Thoughts

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 168

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Originally Posted by Johnny Douglas

one of my home games friends has this straight ("wrap around straight" or "Yuriy's straight") named after him for the same reason. I really wish I could find this kind of skill level live.

played in a tournament at a bar room during the immediate post-moneymaker boom and actually had 3 people at the same table argue with me that kickers get used to break a tie on a straight.

I wasnt involved in the hand and both guys had a 7 that made the straight and one guys comments that the king kicker plays. I felt bad for the guy and tried to quickly and quietly tell him that it doesnt work that way, to limit the embarassment for him. My good intentions got derailed when two other peple corrected me!

I didn't know what to say - i just laughed and suggested we call the guy running the tournament. So he came out and when they asked him, he rolled his eyes and said split pot and walked off.

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04-09-2009 , 07:49 PM

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Lego05

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Originally Posted by MrBrightside

No, sorry, I probably didn't explain this well. I told him I'd take two Aces, we would DEAL his 8 hands, and there would be no betting except the initial bets. Just run the board and best hand wins. Obviously, this is advantage Aces guy (even bettin $10 to his $8 or whatever I offered). The guy's contention was that the Aces weren't a faviorite. And he initially said he would take this offer. When I pressed him that "Let's go get a deck of cards and a hotel room or something to play this at!" he then became quiet.

Like I said, I normally don't tap the tank, but this guy was adamant that the right move was to fold Aces facing "3 or more" players.

If you're offering to put up $10 and take AA and have me put up $8 and take 8 random hands and then run the board out and whoever wins takes the $18 dollars .... I will do that with you for as long as you want .... and we can up the bet amounts proportionally as well. PM me.

If I'm misunderstanding the terms than maybe not.

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04-09-2009 , 08:06 PM

#407

Jaconda78

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Originally Posted by Lego05

*sigh*

You put up $8 for each hand you get.

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04-09-2009 , 08:14 PM

#408

Lego05

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Originally Posted by Jaconda78

*sigh*

You put up $8 for each hand you get.

Figured he might have meant that.

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04-10-2009 , 01:23 AM

#409

OlegKouznetsov

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Local bar tournament; 5$ buyin - start with 10,000 chips and blinds are 100/200.

I get pocket Kings first hand, and decide to just push allin preflop and see what happens (I am OTB).

Everyone folds to BB who calls with 9 3o..

Flop - 7 J 6
Turn - 9
River - 3

I lose.

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04-10-2009 , 02:31 AM

#410

StackerBA

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 664

"In cash games you want to get called but in tournaments it's better to not get called."

Heard this one while dealing last week.

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04-10-2009 , 05:10 AM

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djexacto

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In a live MTT low-buyin satellite with 15min levels, after someone complaining about the fast blinds schedule, the second guy says "I think all tournaments should be this fast, especially the WSOP".

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04-10-2009 , 11:08 AM

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pureCra2z

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Originally Posted by they were suited

The other night there's a guy at the table who is up to about $2000 at a 1/3NL game ($300 max buy-in). He seems to have some clue of the game and I'm giving him some credit when the following hand occurs. From here on I will refer to him as The Professor.

The Professor limps from UTG. UTG+1 raises to 12. There are six callers (yeah I know, what a great game huh?) so Professor calls as well. We see a somewhat draw heavy board similar to K

.

Professor checks, UTG+1 bets 15. Folds around to Professor who gives UTG+1 a lecture about how he needs to bet more so as not to give him the pot odds he needs to call.

15 cbet into a 90dollar pot and everyone else folds?

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04-10-2009 , 11:22 AM

#413

Jul.Jack

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I got in an argument that you need to include your call when calculating pot odds.
eg: HU Flop (Pot: 30$) Hero bet 10, Villain raise to 30
Hero is getting 4.5:1 on a call (20$ to call with a pot of 90$ [30 pot + 10 bet + 30 raise + 20 call]).

I'm not quite sure I managed to convince him he was wrong. But I did give up pretty quickly.

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04-10-2009 , 11:36 AM

#414

StackerBA

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Originally Posted by Jul.Jack

You don't count the amount of money you are about to call as part of your pot odds.

Shouldn't the other guy be posting this?

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04-10-2009 , 12:57 PM

#415

Koko the munkey

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Originally Posted by Jul.Jack

Wow.... just... wow.

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04-10-2009 , 01:49 PM

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SetofJacks

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Originally Posted by StackerBA

You don't count the amount of money you are about to call as part of your pot odds.

Shouldn't the other guy be posting this?

It depends on what numbers you're using.
If you consider that you have a 1/3 shot of hitting a flush draw, then you count the money you're about to put in as part of the pot, and the total pot should be at least 3 times what you're putting in.

If you consider that you have a 2 to 1 shot of hitting a flush draw, then you should count the current pot before putting your money in, and the current pot should be at least double what you're about to put in to call.

Neither way is wrong as long as you're using the right numbers.

Edit: I just noticed this part: "Hero is getting 4.5:1 on a call (20$ to call with a pot of 90$ [30 pot + 10 bet + 30 raise + 20 call])."
Well no, hero is getting 3.5:1 on a call.

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04-10-2009 , 05:25 PM

#417

Dominic

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Originally Posted by StackerBA

You don't count the amount of money you are about to call as part of your pot odds.

Shouldn't the other guy be posting this?

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04-10-2009 , 05:43 PM

#418

CardSharpCook

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Originally Posted by Lego05

Yes. He believes that AA is greater than a 56% favorite vs. 8 random hands. That's exactly what he is saying. You should be getting a PM soon.

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04-10-2009 , 05:57 PM

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CardSharpCook

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Hrm. I wonder if you make AA less than 11% by choosing the 8 hands. Through some playing, I can get AA down to 14.4%. My strategy was to load the remaining deck with 22 cards that I can use with my suited ace and leaving all 4 tens and all 4 fives in the deck.

Oh, the more straight forward strategy was, of course, to send it up vs. 6 pocket pairs and two suited aces. All pocket pairs in the same two suits, of course. Aces down to 4.0%.

Can you make it <11% without using any pocket pairs?

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04-10-2009 , 06:00 PM

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CardSharpCook

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Originally Posted by MrBrightside

Like I said, I normally don't tap the tank, but this guy was adamant that the right move was to fold Aces facing "3 or more" players.

Yeah, it is a good thing you set him straight!

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04-10-2009 , 06:02 PM

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KenoVictoryLap

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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook

Yes. He believes that AA is greater than a 56% favorite vs. 8 random hands. That's exactly what he is saying. You should be getting a PM soon.

I think it's AA versus 8 random hands but you put up $64, $8 for each random hand for a total pot of $74.

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04-10-2009 , 06:04 PM

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CardSharpCook

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Originally Posted by djexacto

In a live MTT low-buyin satellite with 15min levels, after someone complaining about the fast blinds schedule, the second guy says "I think all tournaments should be this fast, especially the WSOP".

This isn't as laughable as you seem to believe. It seems quite natural for a player that has only ever played tournies with 15 min levels to believe that the championship event of tourney poker should also be played with 15 min levels. Why dramatically change the structure from standard tourneys just because it is the WSOP? It'd be like giving each team 9 outs per inning in baseball's WS. I mean, I have no idea what his argument would be, but that would be a reasonable one from his perspective (as someone who's never played with 1hr long levels).

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04-11-2009 , 03:19 PM

#423

pshabi

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4/8 Live LHE.

Guy(flopped str8) donks the turn and I raise with my flopped set. He 3-bets me and I end up calling and call down the river. He tables the winner, scoops the pot, and is shaking his head mad at himself.

He looks at me genuinely and asks, "That 3-bet was a tell, wasn't it?"

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04-11-2009 , 05:29 PM

#424

atakdog

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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook

Better than suited aces is to include another pair of aces to split most of the wins:

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             equity       win         tie              pots won       pots tied    
Hand 0:     02.624%      00.06%     02.56%                174          7127.89   { AdAh }
Hand 1:     08.397%      05.84%     02.56%              16238          7127.89   { AcAs }
Hand 2:     05.995%      05.98%     00.02%              16626            54.89   { 2d2h }
Hand 3:     22.414%      22.39%     00.02%              62314            54.89   { KdKh }
Hand 4:     17.719%      17.70%     00.02%              49248            54.89   { QdQh }
Hand 5:     13.788%      13.77%     00.02%              38310            54.89   { JdJh }
Hand 6:     10.929%      10.91%     00.02%              30356            54.89   { TdTh }
Hand 7:     09.115%      09.10%     00.02%              25308            54.89   { 9d9h }
Hand 8:     09.019%      09.00%     00.02%              25042            54.89   { 8d8h }