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04-17-2015 , 02:51 AM
Should have taken the buffet
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04-18-2015 , 06:16 PM
LOL just wasted 5 mins of my sh*tty existence.

Thanks!
-OC
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04-20-2015 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by psandman
It just amazes me that everybody is hung up on the rack. I fully understand that some of you never saw a player allowed to keep a rack on the table. I get that. I really do. The part I don't get is why you think the rack is relevant to whether the chips are in play. Why is that the question you would ask .... instead of "Hey, are we allowed to have racks on the table?" or even "Hey does it mean something that he has his chips in a rack?" I deal with people all the time who aren't used to racks on the table. They ask me about it. Sometimes they even complain to me that I would allow such a horrible thing to happen.... But i still haven't had a player indicate to me that he was confused and thought that chips in the rack were out of play.


Could the OPs situation have happened without a rack? Sure the rack makes it easy for him to say these chips here are different somehow from the other chips over there .... but could that have occurred without a rack? could he have put a bunch of chips off to one side. And then later said ... "hey no those chips aren;t in play..... Those were the chips I had that were over the buy-in" The rack is just something that makes it more convenient.

Now if he put those chips off to the side ..... you might reasonably ask ... who do those belong to ... because you aren't certain whether they are his or the next player over's. But you would expect that they were in play.
I've seen a couple of situations that might give an example of why seeing chips in the rack would (or should) generate a question as to whether they are in play or not.

Where I play, you aren't allowed, as a general rule, to play out of the rack. New people sitting down, if they don't take chips out immediately, are told that by the dealer. But when a player is getting ready to leave, many will start racking up a few hands before they leave, and then play out of the rack until the blind comes, and leave. So the house rules allow you to play a few hands out of the rack just prior to leaving.

But I have seen situations, usually very early in the morning, when the 5/10 game breaks, and some of the players come over to the 2/5 game. They may well have 3 or 4 racks of chips, that far exceeds the max buy in of 1k. Often what will happen is that they will take 1k out of the rack and put it on the table. The other racks they are planning on having the brush cash out. But sometimes he's not immediately available, and it is awkward to try and balance 3 racks of chips on your lap, and they don't want to put them out of sight on the floor, so they are allowed to put them on the table, out of play, until the brush can cash them out.

If I were just coming to that 2/5 game, and saw a person with stacks on the table, as well as in racks, I would absolutely ask each time what their status was. Because it's unusual. As I said, some players rack up a few hands early, and play out of the rack. That is not unusual. But it is very usual for someone to have stacks on the table, and then have chips in the rack, and have them in play also. That's against the normal house rules.

So I can see why the rack is the issue, because it indicates chips that are segragated from other chips on the table. The natural question is why? why are some in racks and some not? It's not a question of "can you play out of the rack or not" but rather "why are some chips in racks and some not". It's unusual, so is worth asking a quick question about before making an assumption that could cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars.
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04-21-2015 , 10:44 PM
I demand compensation for the time I sent sitting out of hands reading this for the hands I believe I would have won.
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04-22-2015 , 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by twoblack9s
I demand compensation for the time I sent sitting out of hands reading this for the hands I believe I would have won.
so you want negative compensation? Interesting.
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04-24-2015 , 02:34 PM
OP, you come off as an entitled nit. Yes, the ruling is poor, but it's a small-potatoes point that really isn't worth fighting about. You can construct some abstract argument as to why you were harmed out of it, but we all know that's really nothing more than an excuse for you to argue silly points with the powers that be. In reality, you should simply accept this as a learning spot -- it's not difficult to ask either the player or a dealer what is in play. And what exactly is the point of repeatedly demanding a comp that you'll never use? It's a little like the Monty Python comedy in which a male character criticizes the Romans because he can't have babies.
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04-24-2015 , 05:37 PM
I had to register because this post shows how unbelievably hung-up on money most low stakes poker players are and that's a lot of the reason they will remain low stakes guys all of their lives.

A couple of months ago I sat 3 handed at 4-6AM in a 2-5 PLO game in Vegas. The room is irrelevant. In for $1900 I start hand with $4300 after dominating for 8 hours. Then "The Hand" happened. Max buy-in is $1500 and he could've maybe had $1900 to start (I pay attention,not closely enough apparently) I take a pretty bad beat IMO anyways and look to pay the man. Lo and behold he has 24 hundos tucked behind his stack he snuck in against the rules. Illegal? im not a lawyer. Unethical? Clearly. Point is that's poker. I would've gladly took them if I held up so because I lost do I have re-course? Not in my gambling book. Case closed.

P.S. I only skimmed OP if my story is irrelevant here I apologize OP struck a cord.

Last edited by vegasguy84; 04-24-2015 at 05:45 PM. Reason: grammar
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04-24-2015 , 07:50 PM
I'm definitely saving those $2400 and I wish I were a nit....

eta - if they were in plain site I'd almost always choose to gamble with him and not bring up the max buy-in (paying win or lose obviously), but as described...yeah, he's not getting those moneys.
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04-24-2015 , 07:59 PM
I'm definitely not an uber-nit, but I'd definitely say something about 24 hidden hundos. How long after the man came to the table did "The Hand" go down? I know it's not technically relevant, but if the hand happened before I reasonably could have figured out that he had hidden bills, that's one thing. If he'd been there for four hours and I probably should have seen them at some point, then I think it's a bit of a different situation. Yes, it's a question of degree, but there is a point at which I draw the line.
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04-24-2015 , 10:09 PM
So op gets offered $50 comped food (I find that even hard to believe) and turns it down saying that's not enough? Lolllllll
Gotta be a level
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04-24-2015 , 10:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LolPony
So op gets offered $50 comped food (I find that even hard to believe) and turns it down saying that's not enough? Lolllllll
Gotta be a level
Seems reasonable. They hand out private jets like they were hotcakes to 100/200 players who pay their ten bucks in time and then stiff every dealer for fun. Isn't that how it works?
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04-27-2015 , 10:55 AM
OP is an arrogant entitled little b1tch. Eat your buffet or GFY.
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04-28-2015 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by chunks202
OP is an arrogant entitled little b1tch. Eat your buffet or GFY.
+1,000,000!
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04-28-2015 , 08:13 AM
The buffet voucher was very generous.
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04-28-2015 , 05:55 PM
OP sounds like someone who would file a lawsuit against Red Bull because it didn't actually give him wings.

I mean what the **** did I just read?

OP should compensate me for the 10 minutes of my life I just wasted. Unbelievable...
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04-28-2015 , 11:35 PM
I wonder if this is how OP envisioned the thread going?
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04-29-2015 , 04:16 PM
tl; dr

Did anyone ever ask what hands he was wiling to play against a short stack, but not against a big stack?

Just curious.


--klez
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04-30-2015 , 11:37 AM
All this cos OP was called a Jew it would seem?
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05-18-2015 , 05:40 PM
IDK if OP knows this but Casino's don't give out weekend rooms very often. Even if you grind a ton they still mostly just give out weekday rooms so to expect a weekend room for 50 dollars equity is a bit ridiculous.
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05-18-2015 , 05:53 PM
Late to this thread, but getting a comp for money you MIGHT have won seems like a huge win to me. I'm actually shocked they even listened to you. I sure wouldn't have.
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