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Old 11-19-2015, 08:53 PM   #151
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I found it, I knew I wasn't crazy. I don't think there was anything wrong with the post itself... except that you actually posted it in the Sands thread
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Old 11-19-2015, 09:11 PM   #152
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I didn't want to answer because it made no sense to me. It looks like he posted in the Borgata thread, edited it to "..." With the reason that he was moving it to the proper thread, then posted it in the Sands thread. Then you deleted the "..." Thread as being no content (I assume), then deleted the post in the Sands thread because it was about the. Borgata. Completely strange.
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Old 11-19-2015, 09:55 PM   #153
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The "..." was asking about the deleted post, which he realized he should ask about it here (he edited it himself). FYI dinesh you can click on the "edited by" line to pull up the post edit history.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:45 PM   #154
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I made the deletions. He made a post of a picture of a Borgata table in the Sands thread. Then he made a post that consisted entirely of "..." in the Borgata thread. I of course had no idea wtf was going on there, but I do think the deletions were correct at the time they were made.
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Old 11-19-2015, 10:47 PM   #155
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As I said, he posted in the Borgata thread wondering why his post was deleted, realized he should be asking that here, so edited that post to ... and proceeded to ask here (he mentions as much in his edit comment). Re: the original deleted post, he simply posted it in the wrong thread and never realized it.
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Old 11-20-2015, 10:30 AM   #156
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Old 01-02-2016, 07:15 AM   #157
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Am I a problem poster? I have a terrible knack for calling people out on their bull**** and sometimes I can't help myself. I figure I get a post deleted into nothingness about once every two months or so on average.

I guess I'm not really looking for an answer as much as I just want to say that I'm sorry, guys
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:22 PM   #158
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Even though you're not looking for an answer, I guess I'll use this opportunity to explain myself. (And no worries on the mea culpa.)

I deleted one of your posts recently, as part of a multi post deletion of personal attack posts. I tend not to look at or care who is doing the posting when I make these sweeps, I just kill them based on content. I try to kill both sides of the flaming when it happens.

I certainly don't think you're a bad poster, but I (personally) don't think much of posts that just attack another poster, especially when that person is simply expressing an opinion that may be contrary to those that others hold. And personal attacks are against the forum rules.

In general, unless someone reports one, I try to let these sorts of personal attack posts go and hope they peter out on their own (unless there is a real no content flame thrown in that I happen to catch right after posting). But once a thread starts turning into people just flaming each other, I am more likely to step in and multi-delete. This is my general approach to moderation here: I try not to overmoderate based only on my personal feelings about a post - I'd rather posters work it out on their own - but it may happen from time to time, and it will happen if things escalate.

My personal preference: I wish people, especially solid posters with lots of substantive value to add otherwise, would not waste time "calling people out on their bull****." It's not a very valuable skill, on 2+2 (at least, in this forum), or IMO in life. YMMV.

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Old 01-02-2016, 12:28 PM   #159
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong in the MD Live thread but "georgetown" seems to talking a lot of **** about poor people and how he would much rather play against middle/upper class players. It just seems like a weird stance to take and I don't think income should be a topic of discussion in a LCP thread that is currently addressing player's behavior. He's blatantly saying that poor people are *******s and shouldn't have the right to play poker. Is this ok? Try replacing "poor" with "black" and see how it sounds
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Old 01-02-2016, 12:59 PM   #160
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong in the MD Live thread but "georgetown" seems to talking a lot of **** about poor people and how he would much rather play against middle/upper class players. It just seems like a weird stance to take and I don't think income should be a topic of discussion in a LCP thread that is currently addressing player's behavior. He's blatantly saying that poor people are *******s and shouldn't have the right to play poker. Is this ok? Try replacing "poor" with "black" and see how it sounds
First, if you find a post objectionable, you should click the "report post" button on the post to ensure it gets reviewed by the moderators (rather than posting about it here).

To the extent that you want to know whether to post should be reported/moderated...

When I read it the first time (just after it was posted), I found it distasteful, but not abhorrent enough to delete. I didn't think he was intentionally trying to be controversial or start an argument, he was expressing an opinion about a poker room issue and it came up tangentially. And, as far as I can tell from a quick skim, no one else seems to have responded to it, so I would have been fine if it just sunk into oblivion.

Does it violate any forum or 2+2 rules? I don't think we have explicit rules against racist (or, in this case, classist I guess) postings, but we generally evaluate these sorts of posts on a case by case basis, and would delete any that any of us thought crossed the line. I'm not sure that happened here, but the other mods might feel differently.
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:32 PM   #161
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Ok. No problem. I'll report the post next time.

He did bring it up in two separate posts, that's why I posted here. Rapini brushed it aside also so I guess it's no big deal to say that lolpoors don't know how to be civil in a poker room. Got it.
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Classism and racism aren't quite the same.
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Old 01-02-2016, 01:44 PM   #163
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I know that.

I just wanted to make sure the mods of LCP are cool with making broad negative generalizations about poor people.
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Old 01-02-2016, 03:29 PM   #164
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I'm personally not "cool" with the sentiment, but I lean towards being "cool" with letting people say what they think, and letting other people also say what they think, and letting a discussion take place as long as it is civil and on the topic of the ideas presented, not the poster making them (and is at least somehow related to LCP).

Having said that, there are limits, the forum has rules and guidelines, and there is a spectrum of behavior we have to evaluate in context. As mentioned, we tend to deal with them on a case by case basis. If you feel a post violated the forum rules or should be evaluated by the mods, please use the "Report Post" button, and we'll review it.
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Old 01-02-2016, 03:41 PM   #165
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You seem to be taking this rather personally, but stop trying to pick a fight with georgetown.
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Old 01-02-2016, 03:52 PM   #166
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"georgetown" seems to talking a lot of **** about poor people and how he would much rather play against middle/upper class players. It just seems like a weird stance to take
It sounds like a perfectly logical preference to me.
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How is that logical? I play in a weekly mid/high stakes limit game with some big business people and they can be the biggest *******s sometimes. I also regularly play LLSNL games with trash men and other people who don't make a ton of money and in my experience the "poors" are generally better behaved. Obv ymmv but a lot of the "rich" people act like they are entitled, treat the dealers like **** and assume it's ok because they tip well. Obv, not true for all but many of the "poors" work hard for what they have and understand that so do the other players.

Edit...obv *******s come in all shapes, sizes, and economic classes but I'd hoestly like to hear why it is logical that middle/upper class behave better at a poker table than a poor person?

I'm honestly curious. I've been both rich and poor. I'd like to think my behavior hasn't changed at all at the poker table just like it shouldn't if you are having a winning or losing session.
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Old 01-02-2016, 04:23 PM   #168
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How is that logical? I play in a weekly mid/high stakes limit game with some big business people and they can be the biggest *******s sometimes. I also regularly play LLSNL games with trash men and other people who don't make a ton of money and in my experience the "poors" are generally better behaved. Obv ymmv but a lot of the "rich" people act like they are entitled, treat the dealers like **** and assume it's ok because they tip well. Obv, not true for all but many of the "poors" work hard for what they have and understand that so do the other players.

Edit...obv *******s come in all shapes, sizes, and economic classes but I'd hoestly like to hear why it is logical that middle/upper class behave better at a poker table than a poor person?

I'm honestly curious. I've been both rich and poor. I'd like to think my behavior hasn't changed at all at the poker table just like it shouldn't if you are having a winning or losing session.
Yes but if you win all a rich pricks money you feel better then if you win all a poor pricks money
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Old 01-02-2016, 05:49 PM   #169
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How is that logical? I play in a weekly mid/high stakes limit game with some big business people and they can be the biggest *******s sometimes. I also regularly play LLSNL games with trash men and other people who don't make a ton of money and in my experience the "poors" are generally better behaved. Obv ymmv but a lot of the "rich" people act like they are entitled, treat the dealers like **** and assume it's ok because they tip well. Obv, not true for all but many of the "poors" work hard for what they have and understand that so do the other players.

Edit...obv *******s come in all shapes, sizes, and economic classes but I'd hoestly like to hear why it is logical that middle/upper class behave better at a poker table than a poor person?

I'm honestly curious. I've been both rich and poor. I'd like to think my behavior hasn't changed at all at the poker table just like it shouldn't if you are having a winning or losing session.
I was referring to $ win potential. For behavior, in general middle class people place more emphasis on etiquette and its more important in their professions. A guy who goes to work in a tie behind a desk will have a higher standard to meet than a guy wearing overalls and using tools.

You seem to have an amount of self respect and are probably less on a hole at the felt. Goody! You are more likely to live in the middle/upper class because of that.

Mods, sorry if this is too content-intensive, feel free to transport it to the relevant thread.
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Old 01-03-2016, 12:11 AM   #170
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Maybe I'm reading it wrong in the MD Live thread but "georgetown" seems to talking a lot of **** about poor people and how he would much rather play against middle/upper class players. It just seems like a weird stance to take and I don't think income should be a topic of discussion in a LCP thread that is currently addressing player's behavior. He's blatantly saying that poor people are *******s and shouldn't have the right to play poker. Is this ok? Try replacing "poor" with "black" and see how it sounds
Not having seen the deleted posts, I would say that georgetown is saying that permitting abusive behavior by drunk degens drives away patrons, that those driven away are middle/upper class types, and that the degenerates who are misbehaving are predominantly poor.

I find this topic interesting and wonder where the appropriate place is to start a thread discussing class and player behavior.
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Not having seen the deleted posts, I would say that georgetown is saying that permitting abusive behavior by drunk degens drives away patrons, that those driven away are middle/upper class types, and that the degenerates who are misbehaving are predominantly poor.

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I don't think any of his posts were deleted.

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I experienced abuse from a minimum wage idiot and I haven't been back since the abusive behavior. If you keep doing nothing about abusive idiots (poor people are usually the most hate filled) you are going to drive away upper middle class and richer people.
But nice to see you agree with him.

Edit: Sorry AN, I seem to have failed at reading comprehension and misstated your position.

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Old 01-03-2016, 12:26 AM   #172
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Not having seen the deleted posts, I would say that georgetown is saying that permitting abusive behavior by drunk degens drives away patrons, that those driven away are middle/upper class types, and that the degenerates who are misbehaving are predominantly poor.

I find this topic interesting and wonder where the appropriate place is to start a thread discussing class and player behavior.
This forum is fine for such a thread. It's probably a good idea to do that and move the discussion there since it no longer has anything to do with moderation.
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I don't agree with georgetown. I'd be interested in knowing where the appropriate place is to start a thread where I might have the opportunity to disagree with someone like georgetown.

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I don't agree with georgetown. I'd be interested in knowing where the appropriate place is to start a thread where I might have the opportunity to disagree with someone like georgetown.
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This forum is fine for such a thread. It's probably a good idea to do that and move the discussion there since it no longer has anything to do with moderation.
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I've got an idea for a thread: 'Disgusting things you've seen people do while eating at the table.' What sayeth the mods?
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