This topic should be moved to a different forum. Food is different than poker...totally off topic imho.

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I posted this in the breakroom thread and it was moved here. Any mod know why?

I know why. I didn't think you were a gaming employee.

See the first post of the thread for more details: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/27...st-1-a-838744/.

I did read it and it says:

I do post only rarely in that forum. I try to be respectful of the breakroom feeling the thread was set up for. I believe my last post was on topic and fell within the guidelines laid out in the first post you directed me to.

If you can get a handful of the Breakroom Thread regulars to post in the Moderation Discussion Thread in support of moving your post back, I'll move it back. Obviously you can't cheat by posting in the Breakroom Thread on this issue.

My reasoning behind moving it is that you're not a gaming employee, your post fits elsewhere in the forum, and I think that encouraging people who are not gaming employees to post in that thread could really mess with the thread. Take a look at PokeYourFace's posts above this exchange that were originally in the Breakroom Thread. He thought it was OK for him to post in there too and he started a trollish derail that resulted in more non-gaming employees posting there in response to him. It's possible that he thought it was OK for him to post there because he saw your post and others from non-gaming employees.

Why do you think it's important that your post be in the Breakroom Thread as opposed to the low-content thread, the funny/strange things thread, another thread, or its own thread?

I agree with rapini's decision to move the post. It really didn't belong there. It would have probably been better if you just started a new post and other people could add their own dealer stores. Who knows maybe in a few years you could have gotten 5K posts.

The discussion in the thread at the time was about dealer reactions to annoying players so it was very much on topic. So, since it was on topic and permitted by the posted guidelines of the thread, I'm curious why you think it didn't belong there.

I thought it should be in the Breakroom thread because that's where the discussion was about dealer reactions to annoying players, so I felt it was relevant to the discussion being held at the time. I don't think the onus should be on the poster to show why he should be allowed to post a given post in a given thread. I think the onus should be on the mods to explain why a post should be removed and, in my opinion, you have not done that. Ask yourself:

1) Was it on topic?
2) Was it respectful of the thread and the other users?
3) Was it permitted by the posted guidelines for the thread?

The answer to all three questions is "yes". To compare my post to that of PokeYourFace is offensive. You say "encouraging people who are not gaming employees to post in that thread could really mess with the thread. " The guidelines clearly permit non-employees to post, so the fact that I'm not an employee shouldn't, by itself, disqualify me from posting there. If you would like to prohibit non-employees from posting there in the future, then fine, but change the guidelines to reflect the new policy.

Rapini,
First I want to make sure I was clear that, although I disagree with you on this decision, I do recognize the important role mods play on here and I appreciate the work you and the other mods play in keeping things running smoothly on this site.

Secondly, can this whole series of posts be moved to the mod discussion thread? I don't know how to do that and I'd be interested in others' opinions.

because it comes from a player's perspective.

Yes, and the guidelines, as written by Quadstriker in the first post, say that's acceptable.

Maybe you and Rapini disagree with the guidelines. That's ok, but the post shouldn't have been moved just because he disagreed with the posted guidelines.

If we're going to play the editing game, then that post also says:

My main point is that gaming employees have the Breakroom as their own special place. As members who are not gaming employees, you and I have the entire remainder of the forum to post in, including the low-content thread if we just want to chat. There's no good reason I can think of that a story about you as a player joking around with a dealer should be in the Breakroom thread, which is a virtual version of a breakroom in a casino--i.e., where gaming employees shoot the **** and exchange stories when they're not on the floor. If you did that in real life, they'd probably look at you funny.

It looks like you might interpret QS's generous/open attitude toward non-gaming employees as thinking that it's OK to post your own stories in the Breakroom, as opposed to saying it's OK to post an "atta boy" or other positive reaction to posts made by gaming employees. If that is the case, I do not share your interpretation. Hopefully some gaming employee regulars from that thread will chime in and let us know what they think about whether and what non-gaming employees should be posting in the Breakroom.

Thank you and don't give it a second thought: we encourage and embrace civil discussion regarding moderation. You and I and the other members who participate in it are having this discussion because we care about the community.

Done.

Right now the guidelines clearly allow for non-employees to post, as long as they do so sparingly and respectfully. In the past, non-employees have posted. If that policy has changed, then fine, I'll respect that, but please change the posted guidelines to reflect the new policy.

When I updated the posting guidance in post #1 in the breakroom thread, it was meant to make it clear that the "room" was really for gaming employees only. We updated it because we had some problems with players entering the thread and arguing with dealers. But at the time, we wanted to leave the window open for nonemployees to post under the notion that they may have a unique fact or perspective on a topic that would be worthwhile.

But after thinking about it some more, and seeing the confusion caused by having that loophole in the guidelines, I think it may be time to just go ahead and say that the thread is for posting by employees only. If we want to maintain the analogy that the thread is the virtual eqivalent of an employee breakroom, then AFAIK no players are ever allowed into that breakroom to listen to employees chat and occaisionally chime in themselves. So IMO if we want to maintain that analogy, and eliminate the confusion caused by having a loophole that says nonemployees can post sometimes/sparingly (like "primarily for" or "you can post but it better be good") then why not just close the thread to nonemployee posting?

Given the types of discussions that normally occur in the breakroom (eg players suck; does your room do this; how would you rule on this) do we really expect any player to contribute a unique insight into those discussions? So as a practical matter, what type of posts do we really want nonemployees to post? Anything that would be missed if they were excluded?

I suggest it's time to quit hedging and just say that only employees or former employees can post in the breakroom.

I tend to let the regs of that thread self-police it and decide what they'll tolerate or not. If one of them reported Asterix's post I would've moved it, but not until then - I wouldn't have taken pro-active action on it.

Rapini - As I mentioned above, I would prefer to only take action if a thread reg complains.

Playbig - If you don't think a post should be in the thread, please report it.

Asterix - There is no need dissect the guidelines to determine the "letter of the law". The "spirit of the law" is what should be followed, and how I enforce - no technical loopholes here, we're not lawyers in a courtroom.

browser - I respectfully disagree. We don't need to go absolute one way or the other. There should be some grey area to allow some leeway (for this and most things in life IMO).

I didn't have any issue with that post in the breakroom. I'm not saying it necessarily should be moved back. Just that it didn't bother me being there.

I don't think the thread needs to be strictly gaming employees only, but I understand that trying to moderate it is difficult without some guidelines .... so from my perspective if your guidelines would allow that post .... I don't think it would have been a bad thing.

Thanks to everyone who posted their opinions.

I felt I was following the "spirit of the law" I felt the spirit was to allow non-employees to occasionally post if they felt they had something to add to the conversation

I'm not asking for it to be moved back. The conversation has moved on, so it would no longer be relevant anyway.

If it was decided to limit posting to employees only, that would be ok. Just make it clear in the guidelines.

My general view for the breakroom thread is that it's for the gaming employees' topics, but not just for the employees.

Topics started by dealers/floors, but anyone is welcome to respond to said topics. IE ytf posts yet another hilarious anecdote that would sound boring from anyone else...all posters welcome to respond to said anecdote.

Just my two cents.

I had a post deleted from the borgata thread that included a picture and the source of the picture. I can not find a rule that was broken or why the post was deleted.

What was the picture of? If it included identifiable people, it might have been a violation of this forum's 'privacy policy'

Was it hotlinked? Meaning you put the web address of the picture's original website when you posted it? You have to first repost the picture onto a picture hosting site like imgur and then use that link.

No it wasn't hotlink. It was uploaded to the Twitter picture server whose resources never change. Using twimg.com does not constitute bandwidth theft.

Weird, I couldn't find your deleted post. Although I thought I had seen it previously before it was deleted.