You have to appeal directly to the US Supreme Court.

FYP

This is always an interesting spot and I've seen it handled a few different ways.

1) Seat 5 is allowed to post his missed blind and has straddle options ... but may receive a warning if it happens too often. Seat 4 would have double straddle option if available. (This is rare.)

2) Seat 5 is allowed to post his missed blind but is not allowed to straddle due to post. Seat 4 has no options.

3) Seat 5 is not allowed to post 'on the button' and must post in the next hand he plays ... or wait for the BB to come around. This opens up an opportunity (room by room) for Seat 4 to straddle again, but this is rare IMO. In most cases the button is 'dead' in Seat 5 and Seat 4 just has last 'position' for 2 hands in a row.

3A) There are also rooms where the button 'must' be on someone in each hand (commonly done in Arizona I believe) but they don't allow Seat 5 to step back into it. In this case Seat 5 (if he wants a hand) posts a dead $1 and Seat 6 (who has the button) would post a live $1 SB (or straddle) with Seat 7 and 8 both posting a BB. In the next hand Seat 7 & 8 both post SB and Seat 9 is the BB and we are back to normal.

So in what may appear to be something very simple it can get complicated depending on what a couple of the local room rules dictate. GL

Do you guys think a single oversized chip on the felt is within the standards of the rule of plain sight? A single black on green felt with the standard chips being brown? Is it a optah violation to inform a player of the chip?

No it is not a OPTAH violation, and the only reason anyone would be against it is if he intended to obscure the fact, which makes it more right for you to have pointed it out.

There is an issue if he is saying something during the hand. Between hands not an issue

I don't understand the distinction. Why is there an issue if he is saying something during the hand?

Being a complete n00b at LCV (Played a half dozen times max) I finally had a winning night last night and it felt AWESOME!

Hit a couple flushes, hit top set twice, a blind shove all in when I held AJ... combined with losing QQ to AK aipf, and losing to a rivered flush on a turn bet......

Sat down with 140, stood up with 603! Would have been $1200+ if that coinflip with the QQ went my way, though!

Congrats! Hopefully you'll keep winning (unless we end up at the same table ).

What is LCV?

Because pointing it out during the hand also suggests information beyond the fact that the chip is there

lol, oops

If you are not in the hand why are you saying anything? The chip isn't hidden so there's no issue there. Would you tell someone in a hand his opponent's chip stack just because you don't think they are paying attention?

So i'm playing the other night.
N/L - player A bets $40 and player B puts in $70 (intent was to raise). Player A contest because he hadn't made a full raise and floor is called over. Floor comes over and says the rule has changed to the TDA 50% rule. Meaning he has to complete to $80.
Unless this was a new room rule I haven't heard of any cash game rule change.
Anybody?

What exactly is your question? That is both a standard TDA and cash game rule. I have no idea what the rule in your room was or is.

Welcome back.

Sometimes I think the default of the board to ultimately say the victim should protect their action and that is the only safeguard goes a bit far in that some of these situations they should still have recourse. I fully agree that protecting ones action can and does prevent most if not all the common disputes and is great advice to advocate, but should not be a reason to do nothing if they do. I also understand that none of us can know what a floor will rule and can only definitively say protect your action. I guess I would like to see more consideration and discussion towards rulings that have interest in discouraging the behavior or action that caused the issue.

I agree the chip isn't hidden but isn't there more to the rule of your largest denomination chip? No one thinks the colors or that it's just a single chip on the felt give reason to consider a gross misunderstanding? I feel the angle of our seated view with a lack of contrast to other chips could and did cause a misunderstanding and both players could have taken steps to make it clear. I tend to feel the owner of the chip bears slightly more responsibility to a degree

I don't mind getting to play poker for 7-9 hours with professional dealers for around or under $100. I could lose many times that in one hand in a cash game.

That said, I strongly prefer cash games because I can rebuy immediately if I get unlucky or play poorly one hand.

Like what?

If you're really concerned that someone might be skirting the spirit of the rule wait until it's between hands and say something like, "Is that a $100 there?" loud enough for the table to hear. Pointing it out during the middle of a hand you are not in is no different than telling someone that is considering action, "You know he has a lot of chips, right?"

If a person only in the main pot fast rolls the nuts when action is complete what responsibility does the dealer have in protecting someone's claim to a side pot? What about as far as just good customer service would you expect?



I thought there was specific wording, like, out front, on top

Protect the muck so that players tossing their cards there will be identifiable while telling those involved in the sidepot(s) "There are sidepots" etc.

Most rules I've seen say "visible". That's generally interpreted to mean either on top or out front. Are you talking about a large chip on the bottom of a stack?

Do you think that's the dealers responsibility in running the game or just good customer service? Do you think rooms instruct all there dealers in this situation? Same for cash and tournament?

Just really curious and this is the second time I posted it with only one reply. Thanks

The specific situation was a few stacks of 20 $2 chips, less than $100 worth, not sure where the single black was as I didn't see it. I thought I put V in a spot he'd fold or go AI on flop, he called. On the turn with V having a stack of around $20 I unfortunately said AI. Thats when the player next to me said something like, "you know he has a black, right?". I look and see a single chip next to but behind his short stack, like in a position where some puts a chip that capped their cards to check em. Between me not seeing it to start the hand, something causing a player to mention it, and where the chip was when I did see it made me curious of the boards opinion, mainly your opinions about a single over sized chip on the felt alone next to stacks was reasonably within the rules and the optah so I didn't go into detail.

Vilian was tanking when I realized the mistake and i would of had to speak up before he acted which is hard to do unless you're confident in the ruling, if it was ruled in play vilian gets to act knowing I made a $100 mistake and tried to reverse it, if I wait till he acts I'm free rolling the fold equity of the chip. A tough spot to analyze in seconds and I just don't know the rules well here, first to act I went AI, can that be gross misunderstanding?

Seems douchey to ask for a count of less than a 20$ stack in over a $100 pot, but if I did and then asked for a ruling is acting preflop and flop based on it enough to rule it not in play, or is having the knowledge before action on the turn reason to let play?

One week later I am +$108 in a 3.5 hour session... feeling good that perhaps all this reading and learning is finally paying off