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Originally Posted by Didace
Most rules I've seen say "visible". That's generally interpreted to mean either on top or out front. Are you talking about a large chip on the bottom of a stack?
The specific situation was a few stacks of 20 $2 chips, less than $100 worth, not sure where the single black was as I didn't see it. I thought I put V in a spot he'd fold or go AI on flop, he called. On the turn with V having a stack of around $20 I unfortunately said AI. Thats when the player next to me said something like, "you know he has a black, right?". I look and see a single chip next to but behind his short stack, like in a position where some puts a chip that capped their cards to check em. Between me not seeing it to start the hand, something causing a player to mention it, and where the chip was when I did see it made me curious of the boards opinion, mainly your opinions about a single over sized chip on the felt alone next to stacks was reasonably within the rules and the optah so I didn't go into detail.
Vilian was tanking when I realized the mistake and i would of had to speak up before he acted which is hard to do unless you're confident in the ruling, if it was ruled in play vilian gets to act knowing I made a $100 mistake and tried to reverse it, if I wait till he acts I'm free rolling the fold equity of the chip. A tough spot to analyze in seconds and I just don't know the rules well here, first to act I went AI, can that be gross misunderstanding?
Seems douchey to ask for a count of less than a 20$ stack in over a $100 pot, but if I did and then asked for a ruling is acting preflop and flop based on it enough to rule it not in play, or is having the knowledge before action on the turn reason to let play?