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03-23-2008 , 10:20 PM

Yossarian147

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I have played quite a bit live but never came across this situation before. 8/16 at HG, player A checks the turn, B goes all in for 4. Player C calls. Player A then tries to complete to 16. I thought player A was able to do this but it wasn't allowed, according to the dealer, because he had already checked. Standard?

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03-23-2008 , 10:30 PM

husker_playa

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he should be able to only call 4 all in or raise to 20 (16+4) but cannot complete bet as a raise

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03-23-2008 , 10:30 PM

VORP

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Dealer is correct. Allin has to be 1/2 bet or more to reopen action.

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03-23-2008 , 10:38 PM

thebeebster

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Originally Posted by husker_playa

he should be able to only call 4 all in or raise to 20 (16+4) but cannot complete bet as a raise

no. if the room has half bet rule, then the all in is not a bet. hence he cannot raise. if the room does not have half bet rule then you've already given up the option to make a 16 dollar bet. you cannot raise to 16.

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03-24-2008 , 12:04 AM

CardSharpCook

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yeah, this is standard. Not allowed to raise or to complete because he had checked. Were he simply acting behind the $4 all-in, he will be allowed to either complete or to raise to $20 depending on the rules of the room.

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03-24-2008 , 01:16 PM

mikeca

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I think the OP is talking about a 8/16 limit game, so I don't think anyone is allowed to bet 4+16 = 20. Players after the all in who have not acted can make it a full bet, ie 16. Players who checked can only call the all in.

I saw a LAGy player in a 3/6 game that was check raising the flop on almost every opportunity with basically ATC get into a 10 minute argument with the dealer and floor person when he was not allowed to check raise after an all in. I had never heard of this rule before that.

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03-24-2008 , 01:46 PM

jesse8888

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Originally Posted by CardSharpCook

This is correct based on my experience. At the rooms I play in it rolls like this:

1. If an all in bet is more than half a bet, it can be raised "a full bet" by anyone who has not yet checked. So if a guy goes all in for 2 chips, someone can make it 2+full bet chips to go.

2. If an all in bet is less than half a bet, it can be completed by anyone who has not yet checked.

3. Anyone who has checked can only call the bet or fold, unless someone else raises/completes it before it gets back to them, in which case I think they can raise again.

4. An all in bet that is exactly a whole bet is obviously treated just like a standard bet.

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03-24-2008 , 01:55 PM

psandman

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Originally Posted by jesse8888

1 is incorrect. If the all-in is half a raise or more it reopens the action for those who already acted (including those who checked)

2 is almost correct it should say "If an all in bet is less than half a bet, it can be completed by anyone who has not yet acted on the last full bet"

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03-24-2008 , 02:19 PM

jesse8888

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Originally Posted by psandman

You're right, i totally messed up (1) and meant what you said. I knew I shouldn't have bothered to try

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03-24-2008 , 02:28 PM

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You're both right. This depends on the room. Where I worked, any bet not a full bet did not re-open action. I don't care if it was 9/18 with $1 chips and someone threw out $8, that did not re-open action. The only time the "half bet" rule came up was when someone wanted to raise but didn't put out enough chips.

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