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10-03-2015 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimulacrum
What is the most important aspect to keeping a cardroom filled with customers?
General personal safety and integrity of the games are the obvious answers. If any player feels like they might get robbed/assulted inside the poker room or outside in the parking lot, or if a group of players or crooked dealers are colluding in the games and management does nothing to stop it and people feel cheated, then that's the quickest way to lose customers forever.

Being in an area with a strong local economy is probably paramount as somebody else mentioned, but that's outside of poker room management's control obviously. There's not much any business can do if their targets have no money to begin with.

Other than this, it takes an acknowledgement from management that a poker room is an ecosystem. It requires balance. A room must turn a profit or it'll shutdown, sure. However, if the rake is too high, it'll lose players that are strictly financially motivated if the games aren't beatable. Yet, if there's no exciting promos or an enjoyable environment (good TVs, good food, friendly staff, etc.), then casual players may not come back. It takes all of the pieces to succeed, so I don't think one particular action can maintain a player base over the long run. It's like asking what's the most important part of an engine. All of the pieces must work harmoniously or it won't work at all.
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10-03-2015 , 05:01 AM
2018 at earliest for new casino in metro area 40 min away.
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10-03-2015 , 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jimulacrum
Thank you all. Now that I've had some replies, I'll be more specific about the situation that led me to ask.

This cardroom is in a position, IMO, to make itself the go-to name for poker in the area—partly because of location and licensing, and partly because it has a head start. NL/PL poker were recently legalized, and since then it went from 5 or 6 cash tables of over-raked $2/$4 LHE and LO8 to 10–15 cash tables of over-raked $1/$2 and $2/$4 NLHE, PLO, and a little leftover LHE. The old base of grizzled $2/$4 regs is quickly fading into a spread of younger NLHE players. Enter hoodies, sunglasses, earbuds, etc.

I don't work there, but I occasionally play there and would like to see it become a better place. Trouble is, the first thing that comes to mind is that it's a dump. It's a big, old building that used to be a live racetrack. It's dirty, it could use some better-trained staff, the food is total ****, the layout is meh, the rake is too high, the spread of games is disappointing, there are no real amenities, and a variety of other things that were addressed in this thread. The chest-high grass and debris in the former racetrack fill the floor-to-ceiling windows where there could instead be a beautiful view.

On the upside, the action is currently good. It's right off the highway and next to the border of a state that doesn't have legal cardrooms. The facility is huge and regularly hosts trade conventions, car shows, etc., so there are plenty of people who could be drawn in, and plenty of space that could be used to draw them in. There's even a mall nearby. It's like gobs and gobs of wasted potential.

With improvements, I think it could completely take over the local poker market. There are tons of poker players in the area, including experienced ones who would be beneficial, low-maintenance anchors in any poker game. Unfortunately, all the place has going right now is that it has pretty good action, and it's just barely enough to overcome the bigger picture for some players once in a while. It doesn't seem like they're actively trying to change that, instead choosing to just milk what they've already got, which of course won't last.

I hesitate to mention the name of this place so as to avoid making this thread about a specific room. I asked mostly out of curiosity on the topic and would prefer that it remain a conceptual thread. (Those of you who know where I live can probably guess which cardroom I'm talking about, though.)
Maybe they just need a passionate player, who is well spoken and has an idea of what they need, to put a bug in their ear.

Do you know someone like that?
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10-03-2015 , 10:10 AM
Biggest risk to the room described is the state changing the law currently being interpretted as "per hand". Second on the list is the parking lot. It's by no means an ideal situation to be walking around with several thousand. Add security. Add valet. Finally the place is a dump inside. It could obviously use a huge makeover, but I put this last as I think the basement of an Elk's lodge sitting on milk crates would stay busy in this area with current games running.

State changing its mind or more specifically clarifying the rule of buyin amounts is by far the largest risk.
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10-03-2015 , 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Jimulacrum
The closest casino in the other state will be about 40 minutes away, if and when it opens the doors—which seems like a big issue that could take several years. The city it's slated to be in (next door to my hometown) is a meh location for a casino, IMO. The other two places will be over an hour away. So this place will really only be competing with one casino for poker business, and that casino's opening date is still TBD.
I don't know how to put this tactfully, but where do all the rich donks live?

You don't have to answer in an open forum, and it may be better if you don't. I don't need a PM or anything, it's just a question you need to think about.

I suspect, but don't know for sure, that all the people you REALLY want to play with are heading from far away to really far away. They like the glitz and glamour of a big fancy casino, not a homey cardroom.
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10-08-2015 , 12:21 AM
Hot waitresses, free drink, promos and anything else that makes people have a good time loosing money.
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10-08-2015 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by psandman
location
Grunching... Location is all that matters. Players have no loyalty. They want convenience and they chase high hand promotions. Everything else is just noise.
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