I don't think anyone disagrees with this. if somebody asks me what I had I show them 100% (non pros). If they make a good fold ok show them and if they make an awful fold I'll just muck face down.
when I play a hand that involves a non standard line, it won't get shown but the vast majority of hands are so standard that people don't gain anything by seeing your cards. Even if they did 95% of that info will be forgotten in 30 minutes and 95% of the info that is remember will be misapplied anyways

If some casual player says you got it or your good I immediately fast roll. If somebody that is trying to win says your good and wants to see my hand only for strategic purposes (which won't make a difference anyways) and refuses to show his hand then we are going to waste some time

By the way I agree if we're talking against strictly recs. If they enjoy slowrolling me or for some reason want to have confirmation that their 8 high in fact does lose then fine. What I don't want is regs telling me "you're good" expecting me to immediately show my hand and be able to muck themselves. They aren't there to have a good time and they know what they're doing, it's offensive to ask me to show my hand but not return the favor.

But aren't you returning the favour when tables are turned, and you fastroll when they make it obvious their bluff got called?

It seems I should make it clear that I was friendly with opponent before and after the hand. The whole thing added a total of about 5 seconds to the game. As I said I saw he was hesitant (this took 3 seconds) and immediately tabled my hand.

Yes, the villain behaved badly. He should have just tabled his hand.

But you behaved badly too. You should have just tabled your hand.

As soon as you said, "You're good," anyone at the table who cared to pay attention would have realized that you got caught on a bluff. Whether you had a Jack high or a 9 high wasn't going to measurably affect your win rate over the duration of the session.

No he didn't

I agree with your general principle that if you are consistently playing a large amount of poker with people who are as good as you or better, you should fight tooth and nail to not show.

I think it's definitely not okay to say, "you're good". You should say something which indicates the strength of your hand, like, "9 high", or, "small pair", because your opponent is sometimes bluff catching you with king high and what not. You may think it's impossible that he is calling so thin but you don't know.

I don't mind if people occasionally keep their cards hidden but if it's done a lot I consider it an angle shoot and I will study such players extra hard to express my condemnation.

I can tell you from personal experience your view on this changes once you have made the "hero call" 'cause you knew he was bluffing, been told "your good", proudly tabled your A-10 and then had villain get that slightly stunned/amused look whilst tabling his A-J.

Aw

The angle isn't holding on to cards after saying "you're good" in hopes that maybe his opponent isn't good. It's when the "you're good" guy sits there with his cards while the other player takes the verbal declaration as a fold and mucks his cards waiting for the pot to be shoved to him, only to have the "yg" guy table his hand and scoop the pot.

As I said, I'm not going to get in a pissing contest about seeing a hand or slow down the game and I'm certainly going to table my hand if "yg" guy holds on to his cards - avoiding the angle. My preference is to see a hand I called but I'm not getting twisted over it.

This, just flip your hand over and say good call. Or muck it and assume your nine high was beat when he mucks his hand

There are several reasons to expose your hand immediately when you have bluffed the river:

1) It widens your pre-flop range
2) you can use this new "image" in future play at this table
3) If you turn up your hand with authority your opponent can misread it thinking you hit your straight/flush. I won a $350 pot this way in 20/40 LHE. I saw somebody else win a big pot similarly which is what led me to always turn over my hand confidently when I am called.

There are several reasons to turn your hand up when you call and your opponent says "you win" or "you're good":

1) If your opponent does turn up his hand you will have to turn your hand up anyway to win
2) In casinos where you must show your hand to win, you have to show your hand to win
3) Your opponent may have misread his hand and he would muck his winner if you show first

in casinos where if your opponent mucks then you don't have to show to win the pot, it may be worth it to not have to show. This is especially true at tables where there are good players and you have a hand you would prefer to remain hidden based on your play of the hand. In these cases I just wait for my opponent to show or muck.

Most importantly, it keeps the game friendly and not war-like. If your opponents feel that the game is serious they will play serious which means they will try to win rather than just have fun. This is the worst thing for any table and for the game overall.

I would be happy to let that happen to me once so that I learned not to fold.

I forget whether I said this in this thread or another, but "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" is a perfectly fine motto to live by.

Villain is neither rude nor slowing the game down.
OP is slowing the game down.

(That being said. Be nice to fun players!)

I actually think that cardrooms should experiment with making a rule that "you're good" and "i missed" are treated as concessions-- i.e., if you say it, your hand is dead.

But part of that is coming from Southern California where probably more than 30 percent of the time these statements are either angleshoots or failed attempts at humor, which cause bad blood when someone then shows a losing hand that they didn't have to show.

I thought at commerce once they say your good-you got it, I can throw my hand in the muck and still win the pot

I never say "you're good." I sometimes say "You're probably good."

I also never say, "You're good." I also sometimes say, "You're probably good," but only as I fastroll 5-high.

would be much more fun

A little off topic but anyone who thinks that's fun is causing the poker player pool to shrink.

Well it´s not quite as funny as stating the obvious.

Hey all I can start a new thread if needed but my question is very similar to the op. And also I think this is the definition of IWTSTH but wanted to double check.

On the river player A bets and player B calls. Player A turns over his hand and player B says you're good. Can player A or anyone require player B to show his hand? Also, what if player B had already thrown his cards into the muck, physically in the muck?

Bonus points for citing specifically the rrop ruling. I checked and only thing I could find was regarding a called hand, which I don't think player B's hand fits that description. In my opinion player A has the called hand.

Thanks

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These is usually called the IWTSTH (I want to see that hand) rule. This is one of those room dependent rules. Some don't allow it, some only allow it from other players who were involved in showdown, and some allow it from anyone at the table. Overall though it is usually seen as really bad etiquette and should really only be used when suspecting collusion.