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06-12-2017 , 03:04 PM

inmyrav

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Other than late to your seat or whatever, have you? I've seen people say your hand can be killed if you say this or do that, but I've never seen it happen.

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06-12-2017 , 03:39 PM

Playbig2000

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it would depend what exactly "if you say this or do that" would be.

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06-12-2017 , 03:43 PM

dinesh

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There are very few things that should get your hand killed. Many fewer than would result in other penalties (asked to leave for the night, one round penalties in tournies, etc.).

I would generally only kill a hand for:

* Cheating
* Wrong number of cards
* Purposeful mis-declare at showdown
* Perhaps some significant betting irregularity or extremely bad angleshooting, particularly if warnings have previously been issued for the same behavior

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06-12-2017 , 03:50 PM

King Spew

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showing your hand to another player (even if other player is out of the hand...or all in) while the hand is still in progress?

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06-12-2017 , 03:56 PM

Rawlz517

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Originally Posted by dinesh

There are very few things that should get your hand killed. Many fewer than would result in other penalties (asked to leave for the night, one round penalties in tournies, etc.).

Agree with this. Killing a hand is such an extreme it should be avoided at all cost.

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06-12-2017 , 03:59 PM

Rapini

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I think I've seen it for only two things: (1) not acting within the given time after clock has been called; and (2) in an omaha game, tabling only two cards and mucking the other two.

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06-12-2017 , 04:08 PM

BigBlue56

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Only for not acting after a clock countdown.

While I think there are a few very rare reasons to kill a hand, I've only seen it done once. Even that time the guy whose hand was killed acted like he didn't know the clock was called for him.

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06-12-2017 , 04:45 PM

Howard Beale

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I've seen it only once: A player was playing two hands on two tables that were back to back. It happened bec he didn't move all of his chips from the must-move to the main game apparently deciding that he'd play to the BB in the MM, lol. Floor killed both of his hands.

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06-12-2017 , 05:23 PM

DCJ001

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Originally Posted by Rapini

I think I've seen it for only two things: (1) not acting within the given time after clock has been called; and (2) in an omaha game, tabling only two cards and mucking the other two.

(2) is not an example of having a hand killed. It is an example of a player mucking his own hand before it is (properly) tabled.

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06-12-2017 , 05:27 PM

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NickMPK

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I had my hand killed very painfully once because I was dealt three cards and didn't realize it until showdown (two cards were stuck together). But I technically never had a legal hand, so I'm not sure what else could have been done.

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06-12-2017 , 05:43 PM

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Rapini

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Originally Posted by DCJ001

(2) is not an example of having a hand killed. It is an example of a player mucking his own hand before it is (properly) tabled.

It was an example of having a hand killed.

The two cards he showed would have been enough to win the hand. The floor ruled that the hand was dead because the other two cards could not be retrieved.

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06-12-2017 , 05:57 PM

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madlex

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Originally Posted by King Spew

showing your hand to another player (even if other player is out of the hand...or all in) while the hand is still in progress?

That should not be a reason to kill your hand.

In my opinion, killing a hand is justified if a player does something that gets him immediately 86d from the premises. Physically assaulting another player or employee, making death/terrorist threads, ripping cards, pooping on the table and things like that.

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06-12-2017 , 06:33 PM

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andyfox

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No, but I've seen a player killed for that reason.

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06-12-2017 , 07:23 PM

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psandman

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I have only seen a players hand killed for bad behavior when the behavior necessitated his immediate ejection from the card room and I don;t recall if I ever saw that occur while the player had money in the pot (I have seen it where the hand is killed preflop) obviously not being allowed at the table makes it necessary to kill that hand.

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06-12-2017 , 08:02 PM

#15

King Spew

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Originally Posted by madlex

That should not be a reason to kill your hand.

Had this happen to me at an Indian casino in WA this year. I haven't been back since.

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06-12-2017 , 08:41 PM

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venice10

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Originally Posted by King Spew

Had this happen to me at an Indian casino in WA this year. I haven't been back since.

You shouldn't go back. I suspect the floor was pretty inexperienced.

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06-12-2017 , 09:17 PM

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DCJ001

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Originally Posted by Rapini

It was an example of having a hand killed.

The two cards he showed would have been enough to win the hand. The floor ruled that the hand was dead because the other two cards could not be retrieved.

The two cards that he showed were not enough to win the hand because all four hole cards must be tabled in Omaha in order for the hand to be tabled.

If only two cards are shown, the hand has not been tabled.

This is exactly the same as just showing an ace, and sticking the other hole card into the muck, when the board reads K Q J 10 x.

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06-12-2017 , 09:19 PM

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Rapini

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Originally Posted by DCJ001

That's all well and good, but you said that my example was not an example of having a hand killed.

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06-12-2017 , 09:59 PM

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Reducto

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I've had many, many players say during a hand "his hand is dead now, right?" for minor infractions. I don't know if they really believe that is the rule or they just hope I'm a weak enough dealer to do what they say.

The only times I can think of it actually happening were cases where they mucked or declared a fold then tried to get back in the hand or where they got mixed in with mucked cards and couldn't be identified.

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06-13-2017 , 01:46 AM

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DCJ001

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Originally Posted by Rapini

That's all well and good, but you said that my example was not an example of having a hand killed.

The player mucked his hand.

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06-13-2017 , 07:44 AM

#21

Rapini

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Originally Posted by DCJ001

The player mucked his hand.

That's all well and good, but you said that my example was not an example of having a hand killed.

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06-13-2017 , 07:49 AM

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leo doc

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Originally Posted by andyfox

No, but I've seen a player killed for that reason.

It's nice to see you posting again, my friend. I'm wondering if you'd be good enough to share a few details about your statement.

Also, I think you should bring back your avatar.

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06-13-2017 , 08:47 AM

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DC2LV

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Originally Posted by King Spew

showing your hand to another player (even if other player is out of the hand...or all in) while the hand is still in progress?

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Originally Posted by King Spew

Had this happen to me at an Indian casino in WA this year. I haven't been back since.

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Originally Posted by venice10

You shouldn't go back. I suspect the floor was pretty inexperienced.

That's the rule at an Indian casino in Miami as well. If you show your cards to anyone before all betting action is complete at showdown, then your hand is dead. I've even seen a hand killed there when a player with the nuts mistakenly thought all players had acted (he was in seat 1 and didn't see that seat 9 hadn't acted) and he turned up his cards. The floor was called and he said that's the house rule and they make no exceptions.

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06-13-2017 , 09:18 AM

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Playbig2000

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I was in a 5/10 game with a huge 3 or 4 way all in. Pot was about 8K. The winner was some Indian guy who was so excited he slam/tabled his hand and one of the cards bounced off the table onto the floor.

While everyone waited for the floor to come over (the dealer and a few others including myself knew what was gonna happen) the Indian guy was still celebrating jumping up and down with his hands in the air. Floor came over and killed his hand. The guy had to be escorted out, totally thought he was being cheated.

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06-13-2017 , 09:39 AM

#25

SB12

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Originally Posted by Playbig2000

That's pretty brutal, so just because one of his cards left the actual table they killed his hand? Ouch, now the excessive celebrating is pretty annoying but not uncommon.

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