Yes, but if there are enougn empty seats at the table you can sometimes get away with it for a while. I think it is widely enough acknowledged as scummy that very few players try it, but I have seen it done.

Many of the early morning OMCs really hate it when I keep raising PF. Should I stop doing that too?

This sounds like one hell of a fun table to be playing at!!!

OK, you were right. We were all wrong.

On a 9 handed table I hate Seat 5. Not that thrilled with 4 or 6. So if I have to sit in one of those seats, I will take the first seat change available.

If that seat happens to be to your immediate left, live with it.

Right, staring at someone like a weirdo for 30 seconds because they changed seats makes for a happy go lucky environment.

Can't imagine too many morning table people defiantly doing much.

"Sir, it's your big blind"

"I REFUSE TO POST MY BIG BLIND GOOD SIR, I DO NOT FEEL IT IS TIME FOR ME TO POST"

Could this just be a level after all? If I got the responses that the OP has to his " Was I out of line" question I would have stopped posting a couple of pages ago. Maybe so?

So then what did you do?

I asked for a seat change and leveled the whole table.

You were way out of line, you are lucky he just left and not punched you in the face

Just because seat changing is a bull**** move doesn't make calling it out the right thing to do.

The Internet always wants a Hero and a Villain. Truth is that sometimes there are two Villains and zero Heroes.

This is one of those cases.

You were wrong for making an issue of it.

I change seats to get position on the baddies all the time. I just say something about the TV view, leg room, lucky seat pr end of the table, whatever and it's no big deal.

When someone moves to my left to get position, I just make note that it's POSSIBLY a thinking player and use that information to my advantage. (Assuming they aren't moving to get leg room, TV view, etc....) Most people who move do not expect you to adapt to them moving. Hell, I talk to them to help them believe I'm even more clueless. "You came down here because you saw that guy next to me was getting all the cards, right? He was on fire!"

I sincerely wish that I could play in more games filled with people like this.....

The whole table agreed with me.

Actually it was just one guy.

Also I asked a bunch of people today and they all agreed with me.

I think you are doing yourself a disservice if you don't seat change to gain position on whoever you want to get position on. I know that if I sit to the right of a calling station, it's gonna a lot tougher for me to make money. Why not do anything you can to gain an advantage?

I think there should be a double standard for seat changing.

When a pro does it to get position on a fish, scumbag move. Any other time or any other reason, perfectly ok.

My last Vegas trip a "WSOP Bracelet Winner" 2-5 reg at Red Rock kept seat changing to my left (and being quite obvious about it). I was up big on the trip and there to gamble, but have no interest in just being taken advantage of so obviously. After the like 3rd time he did it to me in a couple days, I pointed out how shameless he was about it, and he STILL continued to do it! I just racked up and left and played blackjack instead.

Double standard .. yes, I think so. No one really cares if a guy announces he wants to see the board/cards (or a TV) better. No one really cares if a guy has lost 2-3 BI in a cold seat (as long as he stays at the table). But I do think it's viewed in a much different light if it's seen as an obvious 'short-term' strategic move.

The fine line of diversity comes into play ... Is this just a gathering place for a 'friendly' game or is this someone's place of work/business?

On a lighter note .. perhaps the casino sent the Pro into the poker room in order to get you out into the pit with your winnings? GL

This whole argument of a theoretical "seat change war" is rather silly and rarely happens. Even if it does happen, it will eventually reach an equilibrium where nobody will gain an advantage from changing seats as they know the other person will change as well and return to their original positions, thus they'll stop doing it.

If you're raising a bunch, then he'd probably enjoy the game more being on your left because he can see more flops for cheap or what not.

There's quite a few guys who shamelessly seat change to my left, some more obvious than others, and yes it does get annoying sometimes but if I was them I would do the same thing (and when I was a weaker player I would in fact do that). It's just part of the game, though I agree it should be done minimally and not so obvious as to make fish aware.

Him seat changing is not encouraged but completely fine, you calling him out and trying to get the entire table to shame him is completely out of line.

He didn't leave because he was embarrassed, he left because you made the environment hostile towards him and he probably felt uncomfortable at that point.

I think he was embarrassed

I think YOU should be embarrassed but you obviously dont get it so whatever.

You know how when a fish throws out 'strategy' to explain his atrocious play and everyone at the table agrees with him/her (so as not to tap the glass)?

You know how when you asked the whole table if they agreed with your 'etiquette' question and everyone agreed with you (so as not to tap the glass?)

At low stakes (and particularly in tournaments) I think that most players just actually agree with the atrocious play.

you can also do both. usually play good games but occasionally intentionally sit in games with good thinking tough players to get better.

you'll move up a lot faster playing bad players. in fact you may never move up if all you play is in really tough games.

that 5-10 dollars an hour you reference is often the difference b/w moving up from 1/2 nl (or continuing to beat it) and quitting poker for people.