Traveling through and stopped at a casino where I am not known. Playing $1/$2 No Limit and a non American born 60-ish player builds a stack from about $60 to about $300 plus by limp calling $17 raises and going all in when checked to or leading all in heads up. Once he did this with A2 suited where a player raised to $17 and he made it $55 and that put the other player all in and he hit an A to beat QQ.

I buy in $150 and chip down to $120 and above player (non American born) limps and I make it $10 with AK and next player calls and maybe one more and above player says raise and puts out a sloppy stack of red ($5) and white ($1) that appears to be about $100.

I slide the rest of my all red chips out in a stack and it folds back to the “villain.” I say to the Dealer those to red chips are his (guy to my left who folded) and the rest are mine, meaning my two reds from the $10 raise and the stack.

The board runs out A K T 9 7 and opponent shows QQ and I table my AK.

Dealer counts my chips, $120 and counts opponent’s chips ($105) and ten seconds go by and then 15 seconds and then 20 seconds. Dealer says and does nothing.

At what point do YOU say something and what do YOU say?

Please hold "buy in for max" and "raise more" comments until Saturday. Thanks!

"I have him covered, right?" after 20 seconds should do the trick.

The opponent started the hand with about $280 and I started with $120 and his amount out there was short by $15.

I would say, I started with $120.

I wouldn't have waited even that long. By 10 seconds I would've asked the dealer "what's going on?" or "what are we waiting on?" or similar.

Also yes this was more appropriate to post here than LLSNL. You should've posted it there if you were looking for strategy feedback on your play. Which brings me to...

FYP

Is the $15 worth the chance that they redeal the board?

Insist the pot is correct before the flop.

This.

I'm not really sure what the point was of saying this. Give the dealer the benefit of the doubt that they know how to follow the action.

Why ask, "What are we waiting for?", when it's perfectly clear what we're waiting for?

Obviously, the non-American player owes the pot money, and nobody speaks The Dirty Foreigner's language, so there's nothing left to do but jam on the brakes, and hope the offender realizes that HE is why we have come to a stop!

EDIT: Oh, I missed that! Angus points out that nowhere in the OP does the filthy foreigner indicate a call! NOW I understand the dealer's dilemma!

He does indicate that he shows his hand. I would think this is a call given that he did not pause prior to the board being dealt out.

You don't strike me as being timid and no one has ever thought I was either.

Redealing the board never entered anyone's mind.

You got the gist of it. Best answer.

When he bumps the table, and is about to burn I speak up.

First to pause the action. "Excuse me" "Stop" "Wait" would all probably do the trick.

Then to clarify if Villain has called. "Dealer, did he call?" "Dealer, is the pot correct?" "Dealer, can you make the pot right?"

I'm not insisting that the pot be made right, as I don't expect nAb guy to bolt with his remaining stack in an effort to short me $15.



Hopefully aAb guy simply made the call right away.

If he wanted to declare that he folded to your shove, then you get shorted the $15.

If he wanted to declare that he is still considering his options... I think that ship has sailed, but perhaps the card room believes otherwise.



15. If the dealer prematurely deals any cards before the betting is complete, those cards will not play, even if a player who has not acted decides to fold.

16. If the dealer fails to burn a card or burns more than one card, the error should be corrected if discovered before betting action has started for that round. Once action has been taken on a boardcard, the card must stand. Whether the error is able to be corrected or not, subsequent cards dealt should be those that would have come if no error had occurred. For example, if two cards were burned, one of the cards should be put back on the deck and used for the burncard on the next round. On the last round, if there was no betting because a player was all-in, the error should be corrected if discovered before the pot has been awarded, provided the deck stub, boardcards, and burncards are all sufficiently intact to determine the proper replacement card.

This whole situation is weird. Did you really sit there silently for 20 seconds, or was that an exaggeration?

It was 20 seconds and I was waiting for her to do the right thing.

I finally said politely but firmly, "you can make the pot correct or call the Floor."

She looked at me, looked at the opponent, and did nothing. Ten seconds go by. Opponent is in "play dumb" mode. He knows he owes but does not put the money in.

I said a little less politely and more firmly, "you can make the pot right or call the Floor."

Still nothing and I said it a third time and she FINALLY said to the opponent, you owe $15 and he grunted and paid. I took the chips and left, no tip.

If Villain didn't clearly indicate a call, I say STOP before dealer can deal the flop.
If I miss this, and we get to the point where you end your narrative, I would ask the dealer what he was waiting for, and read the hands. I have Aces Up, Villain has Queens, and he should put in his money.......
If Villain objected that he never acted, I would protest to floor that I thought he called, the dealer apparently had thought he had called, he never said a thing at any point, and never folded, while the burns, flop, turn, and river were being dealt out, then showed his hand as though we were at showdown.
I would hope to win this argument (and the extra $15), but I wouldn't be too upset if I didn't. Worst case: I wouldn't be too surprised to see Villain given the chance to act, and told that there would be a reshuffle and new board if he calls. (I've seen worse decisions than this.)

I guess I missed your post where he said "Call".

Oh.
So there was no issue raised by Villain not having called, but all of this was because the dealer sat there silently, doing nothing, and didn't tell the other guy to put in the extra $15? This is kind of weird.
This sort of situation (allin and call, slightly uneven stacks in pot, board dealt out without making the pot right) happens all the time, and I have never seen a dealer unwilling to tell the losing player if they owe the pot some money. 20 seconds was a long time, you could have spoken up almost instantly (without immediately threatening to call the floor). Like, "OK, I have two pair, he has Queens, make the pot right and let's go." Then, "Are we waiting for something?"

Dealer and everyone knew I won, she pushed the board up indicating my hand is good. The Villain could have put the $15 in but he was "playing dumb" which annoyed me and the Dealer's reluctance and hesitation to instruct him to do so was poor dealing.

I assume you are being facetious here. He did not say call. He did not stop the Dealer at any point. I assume his hesitation and reluctance to immediately make the pot right was gamesmanship or poor etiquette. Poor sportsmanship, as in I lost the hand but maybe I can not put in $15.

Do YOU think if the flop comes QQ4 that he says to the Dealer, "Hold on I did not call?"

I assume you do not play much live poker.

If he did not say "Call", he technically does not owe the pot anything.

Morally/ethically he does, because he knows that he was going to call your shove for $15 additional.

This is like talking to Archie Bunker. I'm making fun of his bigotry, and he thinks I'm agreeing with him.

You assume incorrectly.

Technically/morally/ethically (your splitting hairs), there is basic right and wrong.

I guarantee you he does not get dealt another hand if he decides to not put the $15 in, which is why I suggested to the Dealer politely and firmly three times that she can make the pot right or call the Floor.

After 10,000 posts and eight years, that is really your answer?

Let me get this straight.

You are in a casino where you are not known. Yet you are 100% sure that the Floor would back you up?

100%

Because I talked to the Poker Room Manager right after and was assured that I was 100% correct and the "villain" was sort of known for playing dumb when it might be to his advantage.

Am I striking a nerve with you here Angus?

Do you want to take the other side? Do you think the other guy is right?

No one at the table caught the uncalled raise that I made and are you saying that the opponent can see all five cards and lose and have the right not to put in the extra $15?

Would you run a room like that?

Or are you just playing the devil's advocate here?