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View Poll Results: Did I get cheated, or is this reg just a calling station?
Dealer slipped a cold deck in on ya.
3 5.45%
Nah, bro, villain made a moronic call and lucked out.
52 94.55%

08-26-2016 , 08:51 AM
I was asking some friends from PR, and the money you lost isn't valuable enough to cheat over. It's highly unlikely, even though I agree that was a ridiculous flop call.

If it makes you feel better, I have floated with absolutely nothing, looking to make a move. Subsequently turned a draw and rivered the nuts, leaving the losing player scratching his head. This is probably what happened to you.
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08-26-2016 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
That's the point bro. Why am I trying to scare people when I have the nuts and even in the unlikely event that I am outdrawn on the flop I have only a limited amount of implied odds to offer? What are the chances of my aces being outflopped by a typical limping hand? What are their chances of catching up to a second best hand that will pay me off?
What are the chances of AA holding up against 3 other players? Not sure, maybe 40%?
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08-26-2016 , 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by TeezNutsAK
What are the chances of AA holding up against 3 other players? Not sure, maybe 40%?
You are close .. Thus the 'favorite' dream question for all poker players to face ...

You are in the WSOP ME ($10,000 of your money, no sats, no backers) and in the BB. Everyone goes all-in ahead of you and you look down at AA ... do you call?

GL
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08-26-2016 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by TeezNutsAK
What are the chances of AA holding up against 3 other players? Not sure, maybe 40%?
What do you want? 40% equity in a $400 pot, 53(ish)% in a $300 pot or 80% in a $200 pot, it would seem it doesn't matter right?

There are advantages to having more callers, there is a greater chance they won't all get to the river for one, there is also the chance someone will squeeze pre. so its better to have everyone call even though you will lose more often you will win more when you do win the pot added to that more can go "wrong" for your opponents and you run a far lesser risk of the absolute disaster that everyone folds pre.
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08-26-2016 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TeezNutsAK
What are the chances of AA holding up against 3 other players? Not sure, maybe 40%?



Here is your equity with AA against three moderately loose ranges on a variety of boards. As you can see, our chances of holding up are pretty darn good.


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08-26-2016 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
You are close .. Thus the 'favorite' dream question for all poker players to face ...

You are in the WSOP ME ($10,000 of your money, no sats, no backers) and in the BB. Everyone goes all-in ahead of you and you look down at AA ... do you call?

GL
Snap call.Either i have a ton of chips or I don't have to play a stupid ****ing tournament anymore.
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08-26-2016 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
You are close .. Thus the 'favorite' dream question for all poker players to face ...

You are in the WSOP ME ($10,000 of your money, no sats, no backers) and in the BB. Everyone goes all-in ahead of you and you look down at AA ... do you call?

GL
Definitely calling (unless on the bubble) but not feeling good about it. I'm the favourite against each person but collectively probably a 60-70% underdog.
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08-26-2016 , 02:00 PM
Answer20 needs to mention what point in the tournament it is and stack sizes. Pretty sure calling is an icm mistake in certain situations.
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08-26-2016 , 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ITT666
Answer20 needs to mention what point in the tournament it is and stack sizes. Pretty sure calling is an icm mistake in certain situations.
But AA always win
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08-26-2016 , 04:34 PM
The standard set up for the question is that it is the first hand of the WSOP ME.

Contrived hands for 7 all-ins, including the AA

Code:
cards    win   %win    lose  %lose   tie  %tie     EV
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Ad Ah  81005  16.14  419754  83.63  1183  0.24  0.162
As Ks  62091  12.37  438668  87.39  1183  0.24  0.124
Ac Qc  62436  12.44  438323  87.33  1183  0.24  0.125
Jd Jh  78762  15.69  422733  84.22   447  0.09  0.157
Td Th  70471  14.04  431024  85.87   447  0.09  0.141
7d 6d  80944  16.13  420551  83.78   447  0.09  0.161
4h 3h  65050  12.96  436445  86.95   447  0.09  0.130
[TwoDimes . net Poker Odds Calculator]
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08-26-2016 , 06:20 PM
In before thread moved to BBV.

LOL at buying in for 20bb!
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08-26-2016 , 06:28 PM
It's possible you got cold decked.

But obv fold pre flop to avoid this sort if situation.

Spoiler:
And then left the card room.
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08-27-2016 , 10:03 AM
Why in the world did the dealer allowed it to happen? It not allowed to look with each others card and it will be unfair to the rest of the player. You should have quit upon raising your concern with the dealer since you are being cheated.
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09-03-2016 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BackDoorFlush
You've been thinking about this hand for over four years?!? Give it up already. It's live poker. People play like idiots.
+1
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09-09-2016 , 12:12 PM
If there was anything going on, then rather than a cold deck, my first guess would have been that the girl whose cards he could see had an A which blocks your having an A plus it is a board that people c-bet a lot so he decided to float, although given your position you probably aren't as loose as if you were on the CO or button so that hurts it a little. However, the size of your stack makes this seem less likely because after his calling the flop, the pot is like $145 and you have $27 left, so there isn't much room for him to take away the pot after floating.
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09-12-2016 , 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sensitivenewageguy
So this happened in 2012, but I wasn't reading these forums at that time, and I don't have many friends who play poker, so I'd be interested to hear your opinions on what occurred.
I went to San Juan, Puerto Rico in Jan 2012 for my friends bachelor party. I got in to town the day before everyone else, so I tried to find a poker game at one of the casinos on the beach. There was only one game running, 2/5. I wish I could remember the name of the hotel; I'm not even certain about which hotel we stayed at but I think it may have been the Marriott. Anyway, I walked out the main entrance of our hotel,and this hotel was the second on the right, if anyone knows San Juan.
So there's only 8 at the table and I buy in for $100 and sit in the 9 seat. I fold for the first orbit, and I notice there's a guy and a girl in the 6 and 7 seat who are looking at each other's cards, every hand, and he's whispering in her ear. I say, "hey, they can't do that" to the dealer. The player, who's got a bit of a sleazy look going on, tells me, "hey, I'm just teaching her how to play" in a dismissive fashion. I say to the dealer, "they can't look at each other's cards". He looks at me without expression and half shrugs. So I think, what can I do, it's play or leave, and I live in a state without casino poker, and I rarely get to play, so I decide to just ignore it and play. But obviously this guys a reg and this is the type of place where the rules are not as important as who you know.
So within the next orbit this hand happens. I think I was in the small blind or the big blind and get dealt AA. I've got $87. 3 callers before me and I raise to $20. Card sharing villain calls. He's got between $250-300. Flop comes A 8 5 rainbow. My heart starts pounding, I don't think I've ever had pocket aces in a live casino before, let alone a set. I bet 40. Villain casually calls while chatting with the girl he's trying to work. Turn is a 10. I bet my last $27, all in. Villain calls. I flip my Aces, he turns over QJ off! Of course, you all know the river is a King and he takes the pot with the straight. Villain smiles and makes a comment but he's not really trying to needle me, he's mostly focussed on the girl.
So I'm pretty dazed and sit there for a minute. I end up buying back in for $100 but I'm still thinking about that hand. Then I realize what's bothering me...why did he call that flop bet? I mean, calling pre flop, ok sure, and maybe on the river I had had so little left that he had pot odds to call, but on the flop he called a 2/3 pot bet with air and then goes runner runner. That's a really bad play, but he presumably is a reg here who's teaching someone how to play. Also, he seemed to be playing very solid, tight poker in the 10-15 hands that I've seen. And he had no reads on me; to this point I had folded almost every hand and certainly had given him no reason to believe I would be bluffing there. It's very strange. Then it dawns on me; what if the dealer brought in a cold deck because I made an issue about this guy sharing cards? Certainly it was possible; I wasn't paying that close attention to the dealer. It would explain why the guy called my bets like he knew what was coming.
So anyway I cashed out and left. Certainly there seemed to be no point in complaining to the casino. I know this could have happened the way it did by pure chance, but I could not figure how somebody who is a poker reg at a casino could call that ace high dry flop with QJ off. The cold deck explanation actually seemed more likely to me. I doubt this would or could happen in a casino in the U.S. proper, but this place had a definite vibe of 1) we don't follow the rules if we don't feel like it and 2) if you're a tourist your money is welcome but you, not so much.
So what do you think is more likely, I got cheated, or this reg played the hand really stupidly and lucked out?
This happens to me a lot at low tables. It is common, so now, you didn't get cheated

Also, I turn straight while the other guy turns a flush at the same time. I lose. Same thing...
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