Player bets River, I call. Player tables his hand. It's my job to figure out if my hand is good or not good. If I table my hand, cards speak. If not, dealer stfu and let me decide if I'm going to table my hand or muck. Game continues. I have played everything from 1/2nl- 10/20nl and 2/4 limit to 200/400 limit. The only time I have ever seen a dealer announce a hand in that similar situation, is when it's a dealer that typically is used to dealing a lower game, and I would assume is use to dealing to bozos. It is MY responsibility to read my hand, and decide if I want to table it or muck it. A referee of a NBA game doesn't say hey Kobe looks like they are running a half court press on you guys, I would cut baseline...it's his job to figure it out. Very few things I feel adamant on in poker rulings, and this is definitely one of them. Obviously all my personal opinion..

I would guess at those limits, the opponent was not about to muck a winner.

And the losing player was more irritated that the bluff failed and felt the dealer's announcement was rubbing it in.

I have dealt the higher stakes NL games quite a bit over 3 years and I have always read the hand out loud (making pushing board cards up secondary because players are either very quick or very slow) and I have never heard a single person mention it being a problem.

Not saying you're wrong, at this point I am just curious what some other dealers/players think about it so may as well stir things up.

I'm not sure why you think the fact that some jackoff player berates a dealer means that the dealer is doing the wrong thing. If that was true it would be wrong for dealers to tell players that they have to speak English Only. If that was true It would be wrong for dealers to not deal a winner to the jackoff in the seven seat because he berates dealers everytime he loses a hand.

You want to berate for me reading a tabled hand ... go the **** ahead and berate me ... I don't care. I'm used to being berated by people like you.

PX, I generally respect your views, but we can argue about this all day. To me, Showdown begins when ANYBODY tables their hand. If someone mis-declares the hand (as happened in OP), dealer (or anyone else in the hand) has the ethical responsibility to correct it. The worst outcome is someone mucking their hand because of a misdeclaration.

To be fair, no one misdeclared their (own) hand in OP. Opponent misread hero's hand, and happened to do it out loud so everyone could hear him.

And what do we think about this situation

At show down board reads K883A, Player A tables KQ, Player B still holding his cards says you out kick me and as he starts to muck the dealer tells him the Q does not play.

My preference from my player perspective is that I like dealers announcing hands because it probably makes some players muck faster, saving time that might add up to giving me an extra hand per hour.

It would be excruciatingly painful to play a 5/10 LO8 game and have to wait for every player to decide on whether to turn over their cards while the dealer remains silent about hands that have already been show.

No.

this is wrong.

dealer should say, Kings and eights with an ace kicker. as well as pushing down the 3.

I would prefer the dealer simply announce the correct hand. 2 Pairs Kings and Eights with an Ace, and push up the appropriate cards.

It sounds like you are misinterpreting what I am referring to when referencing a dealer announcing the winner. If both hands are tabled, then 100% no issue with you saying "set of xxx" as the winner. If I bet, John Doe calls me, I table my hand as I am supposed to, it is John Does responsibility to either A)table his hand B)Muck. He doesn't need help from the dealer, from the players, from the porter, from the valet guy. At that point, it is between me and John Doe. I am not angling, doing anything against the rules. I bet, got called, tabled my hand. I did EXACTLY as I was supposed to. Now it's upon John Doe to A)table his hand B)Muck. If I table my hand, and he does, then absolutely the dealer can announce the winner, etc because cards speak. I seriously do not know how there is an argument for the other side in THIS specific instant of player betting and tabling, and player B mis reading the board. That is his fault. I can remember to this day the biggest pot I did that in myself at a 20/40 limit game at Hawaiian Gardens. Player tabled his hand he had a set of queens. I didn't realize it was a 4 flush and I had a flush. I mucked my hand. I realized the next hand what had happened, and only had myself to blame. I didn't blame the dealer, the player etc. It is my responsibility read the board and understand the game.

I didn't say I would berate the dealer, I said it would set me off. As in upset me. Doesn't mean I would act like a nut toward the dealer. The dealer saying English only is a slight difference between this scenario, as talking in non English could easily have collusion motives. I guess lastly, I agree with you I would berate you for not dealing me a winner in the 7 seat, because I like all winning players know the dealer controls the outcome on if I win a hand or not. Damn you.

::rolls eyes::

Your way opens up slight angling. Your shady friend at the table could have announced 'straight' as you tabled your hand and you're telling me the dealer should sit there and not correct him? Get real.

Did OP say he announced straight and tabled his hand or just tabled his hand when called? Got real.

But you agree the dealer should correct a misannounced hand?

Should a dealer correct someone and say 'flush' when someone announces two pair and tables their hand when the have a flush the player didn't notice?

Yeah... those aren't even remotely close to the same thing.

Yes. They misrepresented their hand. And if it was an angle/to purposely throw off the other player, they should lose the pot and be drop kicked in the left side of the head.

It is my job to know what hand is a winner and what hand isn't. It is up to me to turn my cards over or muck. End discussion??

You mucked your hand because you read your own hand wrong. The OP is referring to a hand where a player reads his opponent's hand wrong.

The situations are clearly different.

Yes, it's your job to read your hand, but it's also the dealer's job to read hands as the are tabled.

Do you understand that a flush beats two pair?

We're told to read the hand (verbally), I've never seen anyone berated for doing so. So I guess this could be casino/dealer specific, depending on where they were trained.

I do have to constantly stop players who aren't in the hand from saying something in spots where the board plays. Even when I declare the hand ("shows kings and eights with an ace", as in the already listed example) I'll have someone muck and I'll have to shut someone else down (usually someone who isn't even in the hand) before they can point out the error.

I actually told a table recently that I appreciated it when none of them spoke up to stop someone from mucking in a similar spot recently. The player who accidentally mucked what would have been a chopped pot realized it as I was putting out the next hand and laughed it off, shrugging and saying it was his own fault. It was sort of refreshing to have a low stakes table where everyone was cognizant of the proper etiquette in a spot like that.

For those that seem to think they may have folded a winner at one point, I tell them all the same thing - when in doubt, flip over your cards and let the dealer read your hand.

No.

Lol, how many threads have we seen where announcing your hand thusly was considered poor ettiquette, border-line cheating. Not my feeling, but it is a popular belief that announcing "2 pair" when one of the pairs is on the board is shady.

I do understand what you're saying. I am saying that even when ONE hand is tabled, you still read that hand out loud. Looking at the responses in the thread as well I think this is standard in most live casino poker rooms.

It's really about speeding up the game and being transparent. I think as a dealer you want to eliminate as much chance for confusion in your game as you can within the rules.