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Dealer announced my tabled hand after opponent read my tabled hand incorrectly. Dealer announced my tabled hand after opponent read my tabled hand incorrectly.

06-26-2015 , 07:03 AM
I might be oversensitive so I'm here to vent and hear your responses.

I was in a hand yesterday where I went all in on the river as a bluff.
My opponent called and I table my cards. Opponent misreads my hands and verbally says oh you have a straight. She doesn't table her hand nor did she muck her cards. The dealer corrects her and says no he just has Q high. She then happily tables her cards with pocket Jacks. I deservedly lost the hand, but I was still upset that the dealer corrected her. Should the dealer be announcing my hand until all hands are tabled?
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06-26-2015 , 07:37 AM
Actually the dealer did the correct thing here. They announce hands as they are tabled. And since you were first required to show, and you tabled first, yours gets read first.
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06-26-2015 , 07:59 AM
Cards speak.

End of thread.

(Although 40 people will still feel it necessary to chime in )
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06-26-2015 , 08:55 AM
Every place (and dealer) will have different opinions on this.

The 'preferred' dealer method (from a players prospective) is silence and the sliding of cards on the board to create the best hand for the exposed holding. Then it's up to the other player to read the hand and determine whether to table their hand, muck or ask the dealer for help. I think this would be more prevalent at the higher stakes tables.

Most 1-2 dealers will both move the cards and announce the hand. This is for the benefit of large tables making it hard to read cards and to also move the game along so that we can get more hands going.

Your case is perhaps marginal since we don't know if the dealer moved any cards on the board and/or was going to announce your hand anyway. To 'correct' a player's statement is where you are getting at and that would come down to how the dealer handles all the other hands, not just this one IMO.

You admit 'card play' but I can feel for your issue here .. just a matter of what dealer you have at the table IMO. It's like getting pulled over for speeding, sometimes there's just no way you are getting out of it!! GL
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06-26-2015 , 09:40 AM
Lots of places the dealer will verbalize what you table anyway regardless. You did show first and she didn't muck or say "fold" , so it could have gone your way because of her misread, but it did not. Cards speak , Best hand wins , yadda yadda, annoying for you, but no big deal on the way it happened.
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06-26-2015 , 10:01 AM
If I was there I would have probably corrected the player before the dealer did. Am I a douche? Maybe in your eyes, but it is all the player's ethical responsibility to correct these things at showdown, even if I'm not in the hand.
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06-26-2015 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Every place (and dealer) will have different opinions on this.

MY 'preferred' dealer method (from a players prospective) is silence and the sliding of cards on the board to create the best hand for the exposed holding.
Fixed that for you. You seemed to be speaking for all poker players.

As a player, I have no problems with and actually prefer dealers to read the current high tabled hand.
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06-26-2015 , 10:19 AM
There's no problem with the dealer reading the board but I'd prefer it if they didn't add in any of those little extras, like, "just" Queen high.

And OP, to be fair(and take that fwiw) the dealer did wait a few seconds for your opponent to either show or muck, so.

The dealers rarely read the boards/hands in my game; I don't know if that's because they're scared to, or if it's just because most of them don't really know what the best hands actually are! (sad but true)
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06-26-2015 , 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
There's no problem with the dealer reading the board but I'd prefer it if they didn't add in any of those little extras, like, "just" Queen high.
My thought too, though I understand after a re-reading that the dealer might have been qualifying it against the mis-called hand ("Not a straight, just Queen-high") as opposed to qualifying it absolutely ("Just Queen-high"). Hopefully a slip.
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06-26-2015 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
If I was there I would have probably corrected the player before the dealer did. Am I a douche? Maybe in your eyes, but it is all the player's ethical responsibility to correct these things at showdown, even if I'm not in the hand.
This isn't the player's ethical responsibility. If you are not in the hand, and the player has not tabled their hand, it is your ethical responsibility to keep quiet. If they table their hand, and the dealer starts to award the pot to the wrong person, it is your responsibility to speak up. Until then, you need to let the player decide what to do.
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06-26-2015 , 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ReidLockhart
prefer dealers to read the current high tabled hand.
I read tabled hands.
I will hesitate for a bit if he's just playing a high card or the board plays.
If the other player doesn't do something in a second or two I will then read the hand.

"He's got queen, jack, seven, four, deuce."
and I'll push up the boards cards that play.

Not "Queen high".
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06-26-2015 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by VBAces
This isn't the player's ethical responsibility. If you are not in the hand, and the player has not tabled their hand, it is your ethical responsibility to keep quiet. If they table their hand, and the dealer starts to award the pot to the wrong person, it is your responsibility to speak up. Until then, you need to let the player decide what to do.
I think it's everyone's responsibility to correct a misdeclaration of a tabled hand. Same goes for when a dealer says "Kings up" if he doesn't realize the other card makes a straight or something. Mistakes shouldn't happen, but they do. No one wants a winning hand to go into the muck because of a misdeclared hand. Well, maybe you do, and your response is "Well that player should confirm he sees what was declared before mucking a winner" or whatever.
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06-26-2015 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bocafla
I might be oversensitive
Yup. The dealer didn't do anything wrong.
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06-26-2015 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by steamraise
I read tabled hands.
I will hesitate for a bit if he's just playing a high card or the board plays.
If the other player doesn't do something in a second or two I will then read the hand.

"He's got queen, jack, seven, four, deuce."
and I'll push up the boards cards that play.

Not "Queen high".
Why would you hesitate before reading the hand in certain sitatuons? Why not just be consistent?
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06-26-2015 , 03:56 PM
I'm surprised at the responses here. Yes, cards speak, but that's at showdown. Showdown is when more than one hand is tabled. It is the responsibility of each player to table their live hand if they wish to compete for the pot. I don't think a dealer should be reading any hand until all live hands are either tabled or mucked.
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06-26-2015 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by clev72
Why would you hesitate before reading the hand in certain sitatuons? Why not just be consistent?
Partly because there's no hand to read and I'm a little confused and looking to make sure there isn't something I'm not seeing.

And by that time when the other player doesn't turn his hand up I'm a little confused again.

Announcing a hand lower than one pair just feels like I'm saying "He doesn't have anything, just turn your hand up.".

I'm only hesitating about 2 seconds.
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06-26-2015 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
I don't think a dealer should be reading any hand until all live hands are either tabled or mucked.
Heads up, player tables hand, other player asks dealer what the hand is.
Should dealer read the hand?
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06-26-2015 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
I don't think a dealer should be reading any hand until all live hands are either tabled or mucked.
When it's 5 ways and checked around on all streets and it comes down to the inevitable Showdown-Staredown®, I'm reading the hands as they get turned over. Sometimes someone shows some courage and flips over J3o for a pair of threes and I can say "Pair of threes with a Jack" and get everyone to muck so we can move on to the next hand.
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06-26-2015 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerXanadu
I'm surprised at the responses here. Yes, cards speak, but that's at showdown. Showdown is when more than one hand is tabled. It is the responsibility of each player to table their live hand if they wish to compete for the pot. I don't think a dealer should be reading any hand until all live hands are either tabled or mucked.
That's not correct. Showdown begins the instant betting is over. Showdown is definitely in process already when the first hand is tabled.
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SHOWDOWN: The showing of cards to determine the pot-winner after all the betting is over.
Cards speak. The dealer assists in reading hands (which are tabled). These are all written in RRoP.

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THE SHOWDOWN

2. Cards speak (cards read for themselves). The dealer assists in reading hands, but players are responsible for holding onto their cards until the winner is declared.
There is nothing specifically said about how the dealer assists in reading hands, but in the modern game, and given a common desire to introduce and keep newer, less experienced players interested in the game and believing in its fairness, I have no problem agreeing that a dealer may push up cards or state the value of the current high hand at showdown.
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06-26-2015 , 04:25 PM
I've always found it odd that dealers announcing hands is so inconsistent. Some dealers even do things differently depending on the stakes. Some dealers don't say anything, some always announce every hand, and this dealer apparently only announced when it was clear the person had misread the tabled hand. This selective announcing seems like a problem to me because the dealer basically got to decide who won the hand. I've been in OP's situation many times and sometimes the dealer says something and sometimes they don't. I would never get mad at a dealer for announcing my hand though.

I'm sure professionals prefer that the dealer says nothing to increase their chances of opponents mucking winners, but I do think it speeds up the game when the dealer announces the hand.
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06-26-2015 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KL03
the dealer basically got to decide who won the hand.
Instead, think of it this way: "The dealer basically made sure that the person that misread the hand did not decide who won the hand."
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06-26-2015 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KL03

This selective announcing seems like a problem to me because the dealer basically got to decide who won the hand.
I think the cards decided who won the hand.

No problem with the dealer announcing the hand and letting things move on.
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06-26-2015 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bocafla
I might be oversensitive so I'm here to vent and hear your responses.

I was in a hand yesterday where I went all in on the river as a bluff.
My opponent called and I table my cards. Opponent misreads my hands and verbally says oh you have a straight. She doesn't table her hand nor did she muck her cards. The dealer corrects her and says no he just has Q high. She then happily tables her cards with pocket Jacks. I deservedly lost the hand, but I was still upset that the dealer corrected her.

Should the dealer be announcing my hand until all hands are tabled?
Yes.
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06-28-2015 , 02:08 AM
Dealer should stfu, push the cards forward that play, and let the player make the correct decision. I assure you I've seen dealers get berated in a deep stack $5/5-$5/10 game in this exact situation. Guy fires off a bluff in a 4-5 figure pot and some goofball 1/2 dealer announces Q high after player tables his bluff as he's supposed to when call? Yep, that would set me off as well. 99% of dealers I've encountered in this situation the last 8 years in So Cal keep their mouths shut. The handful that have stated the hand have been berated. I understand it may be in rrop but I disagree.
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06-28-2015 , 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by VvsKing
Dealer should stfu, push the cards forward that play, and let the player make the correct decision. I assure you I've seen dealers get berated in a deep stack $5/5-$5/10 game in this exact situation. Guy fires off a bluff in a 4-5 figure pot and some goofball 1/2 dealer announces Q high after player tables his bluff as he's supposed to when call? Yep, that would set me off as well. 99% of dealers I've encountered in this situation the last 8 years in So Cal keep their mouths shut. The handful that have stated the hand have been berated. I understand it may be in rrop but I disagree.
This exact argument came up in a 40/80 LHE game in my room. After working for 2 years I had never heard one time that it was a rule to push forward the board cards and not announce the tabled hand. The fact of the matter is, none of the dealers were trained this way. Its not in our rules to read hands this way. The players made a big fuss about it and the staff on hand assured them it was not our protocol to announce hands that way. Never heard about it again.

This is not a practical thing to do in 99% of cash games that are spread in live casinos. It's more of a niche thing for higher stakes games. It makes absolutely no sense for the dealer to do this in a 1/2 NL or 2/5 NL game. It slows everything down and is about as far from unbiased and transparent as you can be.
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