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What Do You Think Of A Flush Frenzy Poker Room Promo? What Do You Think Of A Flush Frenzy Poker Room Promo?

08-18-2023 , 06:44 PM
The concept is for a room that operates anywhere from 12-16 hours per day and has dedicated opening and closing times to represent a single "session"

- Player must make a flush of all four suits during their session
- Player must use both hole cards for their flush to qualify
- Player must win the hand in order for that flush to qualify
- If playing PLO player must FLOP the flush
- If playing NLH the flush can be made at anytime through the river

Do you guys think this is a good promo to run? Generates action? Builds a good sized jackpot to win?
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08-18-2023 , 07:28 PM
I'm playing in that room two evenings a week, 3 hours per day.

Can you explain in two sentences why I should care for that promo and be happy to pay $1/pot into the jackpot?
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08-18-2023 , 08:24 PM
Exactly how are you going to track the hands? Who is it going to be to say who got what and do they have the time?
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08-18-2023 , 08:37 PM
It changes the game a great deal depending upon the size of promotion to buy-in/average pot size.
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08-18-2023 , 10:25 PM
As far as promotions go, that one is quite crap.
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08-18-2023 , 10:53 PM
Gonna run the floor ragged recording every single flush made in the room during the promo lol
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08-19-2023 , 02:11 AM
I kinda like the idea, but my problem is that it rewards grinders over recs. Ideally you would have a promo that is always in play on a lucky hand. Or a promo that elapses in a certain timeframe like half hour, hour, or two hours even for high hands. That way you give fishy players whose money doesn’t last long an opportunity to win the promo.

Unfortunately I can’t think of a way for this to be workable and it seems to favor the regs most of all so as interesting as the idea is I would have to say it’s not that good.
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08-19-2023 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
I kinda like the idea, but my problem is that it rewards grinders over recs. Ideally you would have a promo that is always in play on a lucky hand. Or a promo that elapses in a certain timeframe like half hour, hour, or two hours even for high hands. That way you give fishy players whose money doesn’t last long an opportunity to win the promo.

Unfortunately I can’t think of a way for this to be workable and it seems to favor the regs most of all so as interesting as the idea is I would have to say it’s not that good.
While I think this promo is a bad idea, I disagree that a promo that favors regs is a bad idea. The regs pay the majority of the drop and tips, keep the seats filled and ensure that there is a game, to begin with.

Besides, there are also regs that are also fish.
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08-19-2023 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
I'm playing in that room two evenings a week, 3 hours per day.

Can you explain in two sentences why I should care for that promo and be happy to pay $1/pot into the jackpot?

This would be for a room in TX where they can't take a per-hand jackpot drop, instead they take $2 towards the jackpot pool when you purchase chips as a single contribution for the entire day.


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Originally Posted by JayKon
Exactly how are you going to track the hands? Who is it going to be to say who got what and do they have the time?
It's a small room, less than 10 tables, with an average of 1-2 tables running. When a qualifying hand is made, the dealer calls over the floor who documents the player and their qualifying flush.

There's then a daily board that is used to track (it would display a players name and then the suits they've hit so far)


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Originally Posted by Dilly_
Gonna run the floor ragged recording every single flush made in the room during the promo lol
It's a small room with under 10 tables that usually has 1-2 running daily on average.


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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
I kinda like the idea, but my problem is that it rewards grinders over recs. Ideally you would have a promo that is always in play on a lucky hand. Or a promo that elapses in a certain timeframe like half hour, hour, or two hours even for high hands. That way you give fishy players whose money doesn’t last long an opportunity to win the promo.

Unfortunately I can’t think of a way for this to be workable and it seems to favor the regs most of all so as interesting as the idea is I would have to say it’s not that good.
Unfortunately it's not that easy to run a promo that gets hit frequently here in TX because we can't pull per hand for the jackpot pool, instead having to just take $2 when they buyin that goes to the promotion pool.

Also, this is a smaller room that the majority of the traffic is going to be regulars/locals, it's not a destination room.



The idea is that it isn't super easy to clear, allowing the prize pool to get fairly large given we're limited to just $2/player per day to fund the prize pool. This would hopefully draw in additional action to the room, with players trying to hit it, playing longer sessions and of course playing more suited hands creating more action in the games as well.

Once a player has two flushes under their belt for the day, they realize they're getting close to that promo win and will want to continue playing trying to clear it.
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08-19-2023 , 11:19 AM
also, some other rooms in the area don't offer ANY promos for players.

This room currently does a high hand bonus, but it's a specific high hand each day (i.e. you HAVE to hit quad 5's today to win it, then tomorrow it's quad 6's and so forth) So it's not even ANY quads or better, it's specific hands (this does get hit, with the prize pool starting at $500 and then recently having reached over $1200 before it was hit and then I believe it was hit for around $700 just the other day)
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08-19-2023 , 12:38 PM
Recording this will be an absolute nightmare and I see frequent issues where a player is adamant they made a flush that was verified but never recorded.

IMO, when it comes to room promos, keep it simple.
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08-19-2023 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Rawlz517
Recording this will be an absolute nightmare and I see frequent issues where a player is adamant they made a flush that was verified but never recorded.

IMO, when it comes to room promos, keep it simple.
It's a small room that generally sees 1-2 tables of action at a time, and there would be a board with a players name and then the qualified flushes they've made on display in the room
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08-19-2023 , 05:52 PM
Interesting position mgmt has taken on jp money in tx. I believe there are all kinds of potential issues with how rooms in tx are funded but I don’t see how pulling from a pot for a jp fund that the house makes $0 from is any worse than than doing it from fees paid for seat rent. The tx law precludes profiting from the game other than by luck or skill. So imo and IANAL, any funding of the jp is fine. Otoh, any means the house profits due to existence of the poker isn’t. But that is a debate for a different time and place. It does beg the question does your room allow tipping the dealers with game chips or separate tip chips?

As others have noted, tracking this even in a small room may be a real pita. I expect someone will find a way to game the system. But if you are doing it, I would keep plo out of it. PLO doesn’t seem to draw the bonus chasers. Even limiting plo to must flop it has different odds than NLHE. Also what happens when I makes the nuts with Ace Duece suited and get counterfeited on the river with a 4th spade. Do I qualify? My ace duece is still a winning hand just nit my best hand? Same in PLO, flop a A high flush but river a boat but my flush would still win.

Generally the more complicated things are the more trouble they are.
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08-20-2023 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TampaKn1sh
It's a small room that generally sees 1-2 tables of action at a time, and there would be a board with a players name and then the qualified flushes they've made on display in the room

Fair, but poker players are still gonna find a way to say something was done right. Plus, if you don’t expect it to help business even a little bit, it a waste of promo money.
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08-20-2023 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Fore

As others have noted, tracking this even in a small room may be a real pita. I expect someone will find a way to game the system. But if you are doing it, I would keep plo out of it. PLO doesn’t seem to draw the bonus chasers. Even limiting plo to must flop it has different odds than NLHE. Also what happens when I makes the nuts with Ace Duece suited and get counterfeited on the river with a 4th spade. Do I qualify? My ace duece is still a winning hand just nit my best hand? Same in PLO, flop a A high flush but river a boat but my flush would still win.
Hmmm, some very good points here, thank you for these
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08-21-2023 , 11:32 AM
We had a 'Full House Raffle' one month .. It ran the Floors ragged. Then there was 'a day' where you needed to be in the room to collect on your raffle ticket (if drawn). NL and PLO were kept in separate pots.

Some rooms give the Dealers a bunch of blank slips and the Player has to fill it out and deposit it into the 'month end' drum .. again, must be present to win. There was talk that some of the Dealers over-distributed the slips .. don't know .. as this saved the Floors from running all over the place. Must have 4 at the table to collect a ticket in an effort to keep it legit. Some Players were gifting tickets to other Players if they knew they wouldn't be around for the drawing. So this ended up being drawing where you didn't have to be present and had two weeks to collect or the funds went back into the kiddie.

Each Gaming entity has it's own regulations on Promos .. while TX may be the land of the free (until your raided).

IMO the 'Board' Promos are the best .. either set up a monthly Board to spur traffic early on or have each winning hand have a progressive of some sort that resets the day after it's hit. The way to get traffic later in the month for 'monthly' Boards is to have an increasing payout for each hand. So there might be only two hands on the Board by the last day/week of the promo period and thus create action for those specific holdings. I think the best day to start, if weekly, is Monday so the Regs can get some of the small payouts and then 'everyone' can have a shot at the larger ones on the weekend or later in the month depending on the timeframe you pick.

If some of the hands don't hit then the funds roll proportionally into the next Promo period.

IMO any promo that isn't an 'instant' (within reason) payout is less attractive to the Players. GL
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08-21-2023 , 12:38 PM
^ I will say that I’ve seen some rooms run raffles that get craaaazy volume on the raffle night. I’m talking full room with 20+ names on the board for each game. But the promo has to be worth it (new car, a few 2-5k cash prizes, etc).
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08-21-2023 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
We had a 'Full House Raffle' one month .. It ran the Floors ragged. Then there was 'a day' where you needed to be in the room to collect on your raffle ticket (if drawn). NL and PLO were kept in separate pots.

Some rooms give the Dealers a bunch of blank slips and the Player has to fill it out and deposit it into the 'month end' drum .. again, must be present to win. There was talk that some of the Dealers over-distributed the slips .. don't know .. as this saved the Floors from running all over the place. Must have 4 at the table to collect a ticket in an effort to keep it legit. Some Players were gifting tickets to other Players if they knew they wouldn't be around for the drawing. So this ended up being drawing where you didn't have to be present and had two weeks to collect or the funds went back into the kiddie.

Each Gaming entity has it's own regulations on Promos .. while TX may be the land of the free (until your raided).

IMO the 'Board' Promos are the best .. either set up a monthly Board to spur traffic early on or have each winning hand have a progressive of some sort that resets the day after it's hit. The way to get traffic later in the month for 'monthly' Boards is to have an increasing payout for each hand. So there might be only two hands on the Board by the last day/week of the promo period and thus create action for those specific holdings. I think the best day to start, if weekly, is Monday so the Regs can get some of the small payouts and then 'everyone' can have a shot at the larger ones on the weekend or later in the month depending on the timeframe you pick.

If some of the hands don't hit then the funds roll proportionally into the next Promo period.

IMO any promo that isn't an 'instant' (within reason) payout is less attractive to the Players. GL
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Originally Posted by checkraisdraw
^ I will say that I’ve seen some rooms run raffles that get craaaazy volume on the raffle night. I’m talking full room with 20+ names on the board for each game. But the promo has to be worth it (new car, a few 2-5k cash prizes, etc).


This is probably easiest in locations where they can pull for the jackpot almost every single hand. In our situation, it's a room that averages 1 table/day and they pull $2 from your first buy-in at the cage and that's it. So it's hard to offer massive prizes or daily prizes given what we can collect in a day.

Which is why I'm trying to come up with ideas that generate action and will build up a prize that's attractive enough to get folks playing more hours trying to get there.
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