That is not at all presumable. Which is why they should be stacked for counting.

How many rules have you seen? A full set of rules is rarely posted.

It is room dependant, but my understanding is that this is incorrect. You are not entitled to an exact count, and the dealer is not usually required to give you a count. You are entitled to a clear view of your oppoenents chips. I do believe that most rules require that chips be stacked in a way where estimating the amounts is possible.

He was definitely violating the spirit of the rule though I'm unclear if violating the letter. Most of the table was short stacked so it looked like he was trying to appear short-stacked while hiding 2 - 4 green chips. So I technically had a clear view of the chips, but since they were stacked randomly estimating the amount was quite hard, and if I'd been across the table would have been impossible. Do I just ask the dealer to ask the player to stack the chips clearly?

Where I've played so far the dealer won't count the stack and the players don't seem to be required, though most will give an estimate if asked or at least make them visible. This guy just ignored me.

I question your capability to determine the intent of your opponent's actions.

Specifically, I don't think people should take your description of his actions at face value, and people giving advice other than the obvious "pay more attention" are enabling you to defer your fundamental problems.

I didn't at the beginning of the thread, but your subsequent responses actually do suggest that. Not "purposefully" in the sense that you intend to not pay attention, but in the sense that you're deliberately trying to do advanced things like get reads on people when you can't do simple things like know if the action is on you.

On the contrary, I think we read more than you're writing.

Wow. I guess you are reading more than I'm writing--namely, that I'm deceitful, malicious, and incompetent because of what you call my "fundamental problems," i.e., being autistic. Lovely.

Please stay out of my threads. Your remarks are ignorant and offensive to an entire class of people.

Shai,

He's right about his main point, though. First things first. Get comfortable understanding where the action is at all times, who's acted, who's still in the hand, etc., before worrying about things like trying to get reads on how much people like their hands or whatever. Once all the basic stuff is automatic, you can think about doing those other things that are not really worth anything at low limits anyway.

Come on, you know that's a terrible analogy. It's like if someone told his math teacher that he is having trouble seeing the whiteboard from the back row, and the teacher responds, "Move closer or see a vision specialist."

You are holding us to a higher expectation of honesty than you hold yourself. Be real.

lol whaaaaaaaaat?

Shai, you have now accused not just crappy posters like me but some of our most experienced and quality posters of:

• Trolling.
• Having bad reading comprehension.
• Being non-constructive and unhelpful.
• Advising you to do things that you are already doing or determined to do.

If this is your schtick, you should announce it in a top-level thread so everyone here knows to stop wasting their time on you.

Oh for sure.

You're not helping your case. Being unable to determine my intent and meaning is super duper relevant to my point.

But not a federally protected class.

You don't get to cry about persecution when the defining aspect of ASDs appears to be directly linked to the problems you post about.

It's not like I doxxed you or somehow revealed this information against your will. As someone posted above, you have posted it yourself - a LOT.

And a lot of your problems involves some kind of weird interpersonal situation (people you claim are behaving abnormally). While I totally admit there are disproportionate numbers of abnormal people at the poker table, at some point it becomes clear that you are either super duper four sigma unlucky in terms of meeting weirdoes at the table and dealers who refuse to help you in the short time you've been playing, or you're misinterpreting their actions (and specifically underestimating the frustrations of the dealers who seem unusually reluctant to help you).

Shai, this is true in several of your posts/threads. Definitely part of having Aspergers is the levels of difficulty in social interactions. Try to place a filter on your message. This may be tough for you in a live setting at a poker table....but on an internet forum, you should be able to contain the most argumentative statements you post.

Write it... walk away.... come back and reread..... walk away.... come back reread..... then click SEND (Submit Reply)

All you ignorant responders, can't you just agree with his conclusion that the guy is angling him? He pays attention except when missing the action on his immediate right or when the dealer explains why he must call 25. He pays attention when he is looking left but cant figure out if the guy called when he sees no chips and no cards preflop to his right. With all his issues, this novice needs confirmation he is being cheated because it cant possibly be that he missed the action twice. This asian guy must be angling him....or you could watch the chips and the cards. Give up live poker, you will never find the pot size under the chips in the pot no matter how attentive you aren't.

No, it's not.

It's like someone struggling with a math problem while he looks out the window as his teacher writes the solution on the blackboard, and the teacher says pay attention to what I'm doing. And your response is I know I have problems paying attention so you're a lousy teacher if that's all the assistance and advice you can give me.

Yes, OP needs to pay closer attention, and ask if unsure. But yes, unless OP has deliberately lied to us, villain was almost certainly angling here, and the dealer also handled the situation poorly. There have been several suggestions to try to help with the first problem, and I and others made suggestions about how to handle the second and third issues.

On a more specific note to OP: Callipygian practices "tough love" and is a little more harsh than I think he needs to be at times, but he generally has very good advice and is not deliberately trolling. This comes from someone who is on the spectrum himself, and has met Callipygian in person, and was still a little bit hurt by some of the tough love received here as well.

This. This. And.....this.

I had written a super long post responding point by point to Callipygian, but I'm going to take King Spew's advice and refrain. It would just create more pointless back-and-forth.

FWIW, I never thought this thread would end up going here. I just wanted some advice about dealing with an angle-shooter. Instead it's become a referendum on my personality.

To the vast majority of you in this thread who have been helpful, I thank you and apologize for this mess. To the few others (you know who you are), please stay out of my threads if you have nothing useful to say.

I agree with you that this thread became an unnecessary referendum on you, quasi-personally. But I think there is blame enough to go around to all parties, it's not one-sided. And telling people to stay out of your threads isn't going to work, and is a bad avenue to go down. I'd recommend not going there in future posts.

I am glad you see the futility in continuing to try to arguing about unimportant details. I hope you got the info you needed from the other posters.

Given where we are now, I am going to lock this one up.