It's not about "good" or "bad" players. A good player can be good for the game, a bad player can be bad for the game. No matter if a table hopper is a good player or a bad player, he's almost always bad for the game. Not only because he's usually a nit, but also because he makes it extremely obvious to everybody else that he's not there to have a good time. Contrary, somebody who joins a game and leaves again a couple of minutes later, makes the other players at the table feel like something is wrong with their game.

I don't get why you think nothing can be done about that. Changing tables is at the discretion of the floor. If somebody isn't happy with the first 3 tables he's been assigned to, the floor can tell him the next table is his last for the day.

It must be annoying for people who lose pots to you cause you're constantly table hopping.

You don't get why I think nothing should be done about it. That's fine. I'm obviously not bothered by table hopping to the extent that you appear to be. The only reason I'd have a problem with it is if a person were allowed to change tables without having to post a blind to be dealt in, but I'm not aware of any cardroom that allows that if the table change is voluntary.

If you tip them for each table change, you might not be turned down as often.

Focusing too much on game/seat selection will likely impede your growth as a player and prevent you from moving up stakes. So worry about so many other much more important aspects of poker and make these change requests sparingly.

Please don't be a bumhunting seat hopping nit vulture. This will also help to protect the integrity of the game.

You called the behavior "very annoying", so either you have misrepresented the extent to which you are bothered or you think madlex is more than very annoyed by it. I don't get that from him.

Yeah I table change very rarely but when I have it's been because the AC is blowing on my head or because a guy at the table is really annoying or once because there were 4 friends playing at a table together and it didn't sit right.

I think one of the biggest skills in poker is adapting your game to the situation at hand. If your goal is strictly to make money at your current stakes then yes table change to the spot where you can make the most money. My goal is partly to make money and partly to grow my skills as a player. I think I'm better served often by trying to figure out how to make money at the table I'm given.

Something being very annoying is not mutually exclusive with being able to tolerate it. His reaction seems to be disproportionate to the disruption it causes, so, yes, he does appear to me to be more than very annoyed by it. He wants something to be done about this travesty!

You don't scout the games before you table change? You're missing the point of table changing.... Asking to table change twice in like 10mins will upset any floor and it's at their discretion to not allow table changes if they think a player is abusing it. Just look around/talk to people at the other games find 2-3 good games and ask for a table change at the beginning of a session. Usually the same 6-8 people stay in game for 8hrs so no reason to change more then a couple times

If you disallowed every "very annoying" thing that poker players do, then you'd have no poker room.

Pretend that says "necessarily allowable" then. Whatever you think of this particular issue, if something is very annoying to customers, we don't just throw our hands up and say, "Welp, it's allowable!" We assess whether it is worth disallowing.

But it's not even theory in this case — excessive table changing is stopped when it becomes annoying. We aren't helpless. We aren't stuck dealing with it just because someone said it's allowable.

You should be good enough at poker that you don't need to zoom around the room like a crazy person, waiting to finally snag that golden table that's soft enough to beat. For your sake, it'd be better to direct this energy into your game.

I am not a strong player in absolute terms but I've never needed to change tables in order to be comfortable that I'm ahead of the opposition (only 400 hours total but still). The lower grades of LLSNL are full of bad players with rapid changeover. My one table change to date is because one of the regs tilts me - he's loud and angry at life 24/7 - and I'd rather relax and focus on playing well with normal people, well as normal as you get at the table anyway.

Bottom line, as a player I don't care if you change tables every hour. I see regs who do just that, reason is that they vary between bad and atrocious and they are looking for a soft or lucky table, depending on how deluded they are. But as a floor person, yeah I'd find it irritating to constantly reseat someone.

I am just saying that it would be incredibly easy to do something about it. All a floor has to do is tell the player that he had enough changes for the day.

He also could ignore the players request for a seat change. That's basically what happend until a couple years ago at Bellagio if the player didn't take care of the floor.

There's a table hopper where I used to play that was absolutely terrible. But of course, she thought she was great and even hauled around a notebook to take notes.

If I remember correctly, she only ever took notes when she unexpectedly lost a hand (presumably to write down how "terrible" her opponent was).

I am finding it hard to believe that in a room with 20 1/2 tables, you are having a tough time locating a good table. I think the problem may be that you are looking for the perfect table, and will not be happy until you have one with 8 loose fish all with 300BB + stacks.

The reason I say this, is that if you are able to switch tables as much as you claim, then surely your current table will change complexion in a short amount of time. Listen, it's poker, there are going to be all types of players at every table. You are never going to be able to avoid the short stackers, the nut peddlers, and the OMCs. I also think that if you are preoccupied with finding the best table, then you probably aren't playing your best game. Just a thought

I'm always amazed at how lazy (or ignorant) other winning poker players are when it comes to seat, table and room changes..Don't get me wrong, I love that you guys don't feel it's that important..In fact, Thank you very much from the bottom of my pocketbook to the top.

I'm always amazed by the number of people who brag about being table change experts instead of moving up to games that only run at one table.

A+

I play 1/3 there's only 3 tables running on a Tuesday, I table changed 7 times today and cashed out with a $1,380 stack floor staff seemed a bit annoyed but I know them all, I can't stand playing at a table with 2 people having $300 stacks and the other 6 with sub $100

Tbf 2 of the changes were forced due to table breaking
And 1 of them was because a 2/5 table broke and there were 6 winning regs on 1 table ��

It's hard to improve your poker game when you spend all your time on improving your table changing skills.

Players who like to table change constantly usually
aren't players you like to have at the table anyways
(nits who feel entitled to get action from the table,
short stackers who just doubled up and are in lock
down mode until table change, etc.) Therefore I
welcome when these type of players want to table
change from the table I'm at.

In general if you are that easily annoyed from a
player who constantly table changes then live poker
will reek havoc on your emotional well being because
there are way too many annoying things that can and
will happen at the poker table in any given session.

Ranging from annoying people in general, angry people
who can't take a bad beat and become verbally abusive,
bad winners who like to rub it in with slow rolls or
excessive celebration, setting up a fish perfectly and
losing to a runner runner runout, angle shooters, etc.

Well, that's probably what they think, but actually, most of them are guys who vastly overrate their skills, can't figure out why they don't win more (or lose less), and think that their problem is not finding the "right" table.... They come and go, but I'm happy enough to play with them while they last.

For these type of players you are describing to be fair it is much easier to table change and find a softer game than improving your poker skills.

I can't see why I wouldn't want to table change if I know table 2 is softer than table 1 (where I'm playing) ... I don't see how changing or staying tables is going to specifically improve my play. There are going to be adjustments that are needed to make at any table you play at.

Guys, you can improve your poker skills while sitting at a soft game. It's not one or the other.

I like what callipygian has to say on this topic. It is important to challenge yourself, and a conveniently random mechanism for doing so is accepting your initial seat. See how you manage for chunks of time with an aggressor on your left or at a tight table or with nine short stacks. You'll learn a lot about what you need to improve and how to improve it.

Poker is not my full-time job at the moment, so I sometimes play poker specifically to not think and to rewind and make an easy buck. It is those times when I will change tables to a softer game if I can. But I don't stop improving in these games! There, I can work on maximizing my value, building pots with equity, pushing my stacks around.

You can be good at both table selection and gameplay. We are better than to assume that someone who practices one is not good or is incapable of improving at the other.

I thought this thread was about incessant table changing, not simply changing once during the night from a bad game to a good game.