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10-05-2015 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by callipygian
You're HU at the WSOP ME with $5,000,000 in cash sitting in front of you, you can take eighty minutes as far as I'm concerned.
I hope you're exaggerating just to prove a point about something cause eighty minutes is an absurd amount of time. It's flat out ridiculous. Five minutes is plenty of time during a crucial point even in the ME of the WSOP.

If you disagree, go sit quietly with your thoughts for a full 5 minutes(go ahead, I'll wait). Then go sit quietly for 80 minutes(and if you dont start seeing images of the Dalai Lama himself, I'll eat my hat).

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Originally Posted by callipygian
For a 1/2 game, you can take an amount of time proportional to those stakes.
Proportional to what's in the pot and how deep the stacks are may be a slightly better 'allowance' if you will.
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10-05-2015 , 11:05 AM
Going back over the hand, figure out his range, make an estimate of how likely he is to bluff, calculate the odds, do the math, get the other guy to talk, pick up a read, whatever. I'm pretty sure you can do all the real thinking you need to do in less than 8 minutes, even at the WSOP ME.

After that it's just decision avoidance.
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10-05-2015 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Rush17
I hope you're exaggerating just to prove a point about something cause eighty minutes is an absurd amount of time. It's flat out ridiculous. Five minutes is plenty of time during a crucial point even in the ME of the WSOP.
It's called hyperbole, but let's say for the sake of argument someone decides to tank for longer than 5 min at the WSOP ME FT. You really think anyone - players, dealers, floormen, TV producers - is going to call/enforce a clock?

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Proportional to what's in the pot and how deep the stacks are may be a slightly better 'allowance' if you will.
How big the stakes are HAS to figure in somehow. Again, the proportional stakes was hyperbole (80 min per $5,000,000 equals 1 sec per $1,000 and even I have tanked longer than 1 sec on a $100 pot), but it's totally ridiculous to have people pondering for minutes at a 1/2 NL cash game, even if it's an unusually large pot for 1/2.

If you put a gun to my head and ask me to come up with a rule for cash games, I'd say you get 10 second per $100 in the pot, multiplied by the z score of the rarity of that pot size if z > 1. So in a 2/5 game where $200 pots are more common, you get less time than in a 1/2 game where $200 pots are rarer.
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10-16-2015 , 07:23 PM
Actually, taking 80 minutes in the Main Event would be even worse. You are playing a tournament with escalating blinds and would be hurting other players by taking away their opportunity to play their hands and potentially chip up for an almost entire level.
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10-16-2015 , 07:35 PM
nothing better than overbetting the river on your 3 barrel bluff when the scare card hits......and they call clock on themselves. perfection.
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10-16-2015 , 10:25 PM
I probably would have yelled ship it his hand is dead right? and hope he calls.
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